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Esquire circuit with a different pickup type?

jumpchamp

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i was thinking that it might be cool to build an esquire, but with a mini-humbucker or p-90 as opposed to a single coil pickup. anyone ever done this? yes, i know there are all sorts of single pickup guitars, but i'm talking about the esquire circuit specifically. could be cool with a full humbucker with the ability to split the coils too (9 different settings that way, potentially).
 

jumpchamp

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with the esquire circuit and a 4-conductor humbucker, 9 sounds would be a possibility:

1 - wide open (no tone)
2 - predetermined (dark) tone roll off
3 - tone control pot active

with a humbucker, you could run all of the above through both coils, norh coil alone, south coil alone - 3x3 = 9 :)

not saying they'd all be useful, just electronically possible.
 

Jammin'John

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Those sounds are just tweekin' the main sound.
A P-Rail would deliver 4 actual sounds that could be further tweeked.
The P-90 & parallel 'bucker sounds are very nice.
The parallel sound has a lot more character than a normal 'bucker because the coils are VERY different.
The rail is 5.5k & the P-90 is 10.2k.
Dissimilar coils make more harmonic overtones.

JJ
 

Mike9

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I had an Esquire with a Rio Grande "Dirty Harry" in it - basically a P-90 in a Tele bridge shape. I ditch the switch altogether - I just drill a blank plate and run a master volume and a no load tone pot - takes care of all that with just the sweep. Real tidy looking as well.
 

Southern ILL

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Here are my next 3..........



This one is done and turned out really good.


The P-90 and the Filtertron will have Vol. and Tone only.....the magic for me with these esquires is without the front pickup there...its more comfy to use a pick attack in that area(but end of the neck)and it darkens and fattens up the tone to where I don't miss the neck pickup a whole lot....and I like the look too.
 

baimun

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The only problem is that the Esquire tone circuit wouldn't be nearly as usable with every coil combination. It anticipates the same load and pickup from a single pickup esquire.


I tried using the Esquire load\vol+tone\vol only with a Duncan Quarter pound single with a push pull vintage coil tap on the tone knob.

I even tried a couple different cap values and they either sounded good with the coil tap or without, but not both.

I ended up ditching the push pull, went to three way of:

Coil Tap + Vol + Tone
Overwound + Vol + Tone
Overwound + Vol only
 

jumpchamp

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jumpin john, that's a great idea with the p-rail! and mike9, that makes a ton of sense with the no-load pot. i think a legitimate project is starting to take shape here for me... :)
 

Grenville

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I think even the P-rail is overdoing it a little, when there are a zillion sounds with just the interaction of pick attack, volume and tone controls.

One pickup and a bit of technique = awesome!

Disclaim: IMHO, YMMV, etc.
 

shane8

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I think even the P-rail is overdoing it a little, when there are a zillion sounds with just the interaction of pick attack, volume and tone controls.

One pickup and a bit of technique = awesome!

Disclaim: IMHO, YMMV, etc.
i agree that there's too many options as a huge # of sounds can be got as above or just by turning the vol knob - i have a "strat" with a dimarzio pro track in the br pos and just a vol pot and imo it encourages nuance in ur playing rather than reaching for another position on a switch

anyhoo if it was me i'd just put an air norton T in there and a vol pot and crank the amp cos as eddie says - vol is tone ;) YMMV.......
 

Brett Faust

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HI guys, The P Rail sounds great with a 4 way switch so you can get all the in phase sounds. All the switch positions have distinctly different sounds, alot like 4 different pickups.On mine I used a neck version for lower output and put the rail closer to the bridge. I used a RW/Maple neck w/ Swamp ash body, Hipshot hardtail for my bridge.
It worked very well for me.
 




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