“Euphoria” on HBO

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  1. A-Bone

    A-Bone Montonero, MOY, Multitudes Gold Supporting Member

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    What constitutes child pornography is distinguishable from "depictions of underage sexual activity" -- that is, the latter does not inevitably fall under the umbrella of the former. However, I am sure that the makers of the series and HBO (and its lawyers) are very careful of what they include and exclude and what they intimate and what they make more explicit.
     
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    A-Bone Montonero, MOY, Multitudes Gold Supporting Member

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    Federal child pornography laws apply to the depiction of a real, identifiable person under 18, regardless of state laws governing consent. And child pornography is per se obscene, so it doesn't enjoy First Amendment protections.

    It's been a while since I needed to or did follow the state of the law around this, but I seem to recall a SCOTUS opinion from the early 2000s that invalidated a section of a federal law that was going after "virtual child pornography," although I don't recall the aftermath of that in terms of federal law.

    This is what the DOJ says:

    "Images of child pornography are not protected under First Amendment rights, and are illegal contraband under federal law. Section 2256 of Title 18, United States Code, defines child pornography as any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor (someone under 18 years of age). Visual depictions include photographs, videos, digital or computer generated images indistinguishable from an actual minor, and images created, adapted, or modified, but appear to depict an identifiable, actual minor. Undeveloped film, undeveloped videotape, and electronically stored data that can be converted into a visual image of child pornography are also deemed illegal visual depictions under federal law.

    "Notably, the legal definition of sexually explicit conduct does not require that an image depict a child engaging in sexual activity. A picture of a naked child may constitute illegal child pornography if it is sufficiently sexually suggestive. Additionally, the age of consent for sexual activity in a given state is irrelevant; any depiction of a minor under 18 years of age engaging in sexually explicit conduct is illegal."
     
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    That could be the case, but I've never heard that. I'm also not going to look up the laws for that at work. hah.
     
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    That's Euphoria in a nutshell, isn't it?
     
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    I haven't been able to bring myself to watch it.
     
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    That's an older statement as well. I don't see what the point you are trying to push is though. Do you want them to not show any nudity or sexual scenes? I don't think this show is glorifying sexual relationships in way or making it cool similar to the countless teen series that came before it.

    Maybe, if the topic is/was do our laws sufficiently work and apply for the current technology in the scope of the show. Particularly to the show, is it fair for two minors exchanging pictures with each other to be considered predators and child pornographers? I don't think when that statement was made that had any notion of how fast technology would change and make communication as viable/fast as it is today.
     
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    I'm watching it, basically something as something to do after "Big Little Lies." I like how each episode centers mainly around one character. I guess the overall message of the show is that everyone is messed up in one way or the other...
     
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    Please don't presume to read any intent into my simple question; if this show falls under the legal definition of child pornography, how does HBO get away with it? That's all.
     
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    Understood. My tone often comes across as combative, but it's just my blunt nature and I was just discussing and not looking for a "fight".
     
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    I feel really confident the show doesn't fall under the definition of child pornography.
     
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    Most teenagers are exposed to it on the internet, but aren't in it. They are influenced by it. So it is interesting. I often :facepalmwhen speaking to the kids, but I also need to try to know where their insipid ideas come from. Observation from a small town teacher.
     
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    My wife and I have been watching it, we both find it really compelling television. We’re hooked.

    On the other hand, I found the violence in episode 2 nauseatingly disturbing and I’ve also been a little concerned with how close to comes to the CP line, wondering “should I be watching this”?

    I don’t think the show glorifies sex and drugs. In fact it seems like the opposite to me. More like Requiem For A Dream - showing a lot of worst case scenarios. It made me a bit concerned for my suburban nieces who are around the same age as some of these characters.

    This NYT article made me feel a little better.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/23/upshot/euphoria-hbo-teens-sex-drugs.html
     
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    Been drifting in and out of it.

    Reminds me why I didn’t like Salem no matter how much nyt did.
     
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    I dig Kids. I really dig Gummo. I can see some similarities between Kids and Euphoria. I know some folks in their twenties and early thirties, and one or two in their fifties, who party hard, have taken some hard drugs, and periodically deal with some heavy stuff. One question I have heard asked is "So, you got any felonies?" But most of them have jobs, are fairly intelligent, and are fun and interesting to hang out with. One thing I dig about them is that they are themselves.

    If the kids on Euphoria were, hypothetically, real kids rather than actors I could imagine a small number going to prison, a small number not living too much longer, a few not ever really getting it together, and some eventually turning out all right.
     
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    Positioning this show as a “cautionary tale” gives them broad latitude.

    If the beholder wants to see it as a celebration of depravitions beyond conventional tastes that is certainly possible and always cloaked in plausible deniability.

    Clever.
     
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    Cody Well, look who’s undead! Silver Supporting Member

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    What would it need to plausibly deny, and from whom?

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    Circular innit?
     
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    I didn't watch it but the wife loved it.
     
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    When it's obvious that 22-25 year olds are playing high school characters, I tune out.
     
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