Discussion in 'Effects, Pedals, Strings & Things' started by Rai, Jan 18, 2019.
Yes, that should be correct.
Thanks. That is also what I’d prefer for this application, in case that wasn’t already obvious.
Sorry if I was unclear; I've been thinking about this architecture in terms of write and a read "heads" for so long, and explaining it that way to everyone who comes in contact with Rose, that I sometimes forget that it isn't an immediately obvious analogy to everyone. This is exactly what it does.
The Depth knob isn't currently quantized to specific intervals in the square wave mode (not to say it couldn't be...), but it's pretty tunable by ear.
I don’t necessarily need it to be quantized, though I wouldn’t turn that down! If the maximum Range value was equal to an octave, consistent across whatever delay time was currently in use, that would be a big running start. My main goal is for that interval to be quickly-accessible in on-the-fly experimentation without having to resort to presets, if possible. (Although if a given Depth setting produces a musically-consistent value for any arbitrary Time setting, I could probably live with the preset solution. Having to retune the modulation depth every time I wanted a new delay time would be a PITA, though.)
Thanks for geeking out with us about the Rose, Tim! I think that overall this is a pretty cool implementation of the idea, and I’m looking forward to putting one through its paces.
I just realized: if the modulation is actually adjusting the *sampling rate*, then the effect should be musically consistent no matter what the delay time setting is. Yes?
^^ should be
@timsternfeld If the teams is considering employing quantization for the modulation, PLEASE make that a user-selectable option, and PLEASE don’t limit that to 12tet intervals, but include also whole number ratios (good for polyrhythms as well as just intonation)...
I guess a user-editable quantization option (maybe through an editor?) would be best-of-both-worlds stuff...
I'm not really promising anything relative to quantization; there are definitely plenty of places where you don't want to quantize, and it would actually be difficult TO quantize in some circumstances. I'll add that Eventide as a whole has a long tradition of adding knob controls/features WITHOUT messing with anyone's current presets/knobs, so we would try to avoid forcing that kind of change in an update. Right now we're focusing on clearing some bugs our beta testers have found, and shipping the thing mostly as it is; we'll see where we go after that based on what users ask for.
For square wave, yes, the effect is consistent no matter the delay time (since it just switches between two sample rates at a fixed ratio). For the other wave forms, we've done some tricky things to try to get the knobs to feel predictable, but there's a fundamental interaction between the delay time, the modulation, and the perceived pitch shift.
@timsternfeld A thought I just had: there's an option on the H9 to use a single aux switch with an expression pedal. Could that be an additional setting for the Rose as well? I can easily see a situation where you'd want access to, for example, both Infinite Hold and Tap Tempo, but also want to use a pedal for on-the-fly Feedback adjustment.
Bear in mind that for a non DSP based efffect like this, Stereo would mean almost double the price. Think of this pedal as a sophisticated Diamond Memory Lane Jr, 'cause that's +/- what it is. Or a sophisticated EHX 16 Second Digital Delay (the ole one working with VSR methods), or a refined and expanded Lex PCM 42 or Prime Time in a pedal. Then mono doesn't seem that strange, right?
David Torn and Dani Lanois all the way
Please keep it like that!!!
Is there any grit, compression or saturation obtainable by cranking the feedback?
I'm considering seriously this one as the 3rd Eventide pedal in my board.
Me, David Torn, Dani Lanois, Vernon Reid, Nels Cline, Bill Frisell, Robert Fripp, Brian Eno, Radio Head fans, the John Frusciantes and Omar Rodriguez Lopezs of this world, lots of looper heads that cant afford an expanded old Lexicon PCM 42 oR paying the 1000$ trend pricetag for an old EHX 16 Second Delay or Lexicon Prime Time... see? There's an avid market there that has been starving for decades to have what nobody has produced in pedal format (and almost nobody in any other format) for decades now.
Yep, there's a soft sat after the feedback gets mixed in that gets progressively dirtier if you hit it harder on the input or the feedback.
@timsternfeld are there any more comprehensive demos we can look forward to in the nearish future?
NAMM is like that. The demo guys usually have a few set routines they do and do it over and over. It's just like a setlist at a show, but of different "sounds" the manufacturers want to showcase. Of course fun stuff happens when the cameras aren't rolling and people start to mess around.
Why does it use so much power ? 4.5 watts? It's going to hard to find a power adaptor to work with that. I have room on my pedalboard for a Rose, but I don't have the extra space needed for it's wall wart.
A little over .4 amps? Some digital stuff is lower, sure (definitely not the HX Stomp), but that’s probably really good for a DDL built the old way.