Eventide stompbox question/optimistic dream... :)

[td2243]

Okay. Eventide has released four stompboxes to date (Pitch, Mod, Time, & Space). Each is housed in the same stompbox casing and has the same layout as far as knobs go. Each of the four pedals contains between 10-12 algorithms.

My question is, why doesn't (or could) Eventide release a "Base" model Factor pedal that lets you customize which 12 algorithms. I had a Time Factor at one point and my beef with it was that there were only a few algorithms I used, and a handful that never got touched. That is what is keeping me from pulling the trigger on a Timeline or Space.

I've read from dozens on these boards that these pedals are overkill. Basically, too much of one thing. From a buyer's perspective, I would gladly pay $1000 for a pedal with the 12 algorithms of my choice instead of $400-500 for the set of algorithms of the same type. I mean, the Space has vast improvements over the first few pedals. Why don't they just release a be-all-end-all Eventide pedal? They would only have to do firmware updates for 1 pedal instead of 4 and everyone would have what they need in one box.

I'm not an engineer, so I don't know if it would be possible, but with modern technology, I'm pretty sure they could figure this out AND sell an infinite amount of pedals. Imagine buying the "Base Factor" and having 40 algorithms at your disposal to put on the machine. Of course, it might be possible for Eventide to just a Factor with all the algorithms already included, but they might be avoiding it to spread out their products.

I can't understand why these big companies think on such a small scale.

Opinions?

 

[Reckedtrek]

The Factor pedals are basically "subsets" of their current rack gear. If you want an "all in one" unit, get an eventide rack unit and a midi pedal and you're all set. It's the flip side of the coin to the question, "why do I have to spend $1500 on a rack unit when all I want is the Eventide delays?" So it's not small scale thinking at all.

Some people get tweaked because it's a "rack effect", so if anything they could stick a rack unit in a pedal like TC did with their Nova System and call it a day.

Final point: There are times I put my ModFactor in front of my amp and my TimeFactor in the loop. How am I gonna do that with your Base factor idea?

 

[stratguy23]

With the way the Factor pedals are now, you can only have one effect at a time, which means your base Factor would probably be like that (or require a big redesign potentially) to have more than one on at a time (which I would need). I think it is a cool idea in that it could be a definite M9 killer, but it would be spendy! I currently use a Space and Modfactor, and I honestly like all/most of the modes on each, so I probably wouldn't switch.

 

[td2243]

I used an H3000 SE/V with midi this and that. I get it. Even with the H3000 you could only use 1 algorithm at a time, so having an all in one pedal is no different.

@Recked - either it wouldn't work for you, or buy two pedals like you already have.

 

[teleclem]

I think something more like a HD500 from Eventide would be better than a customizable factor pedal (which is more like a M5 or complex Tonecore pedal). I just think it would be more useable. It could be an all-in-one solution for all wet effect needs (basically anything other than dirt and comp).

 

[td2243]

My point is, with the Eventide stompboxes being the same machine in packages containing 4 different sets of algorithms, why can they make the algorithm optional choices?

With the Base Factor idea, I'm not worrying about the 1 effect at a time limitation. It isn't as if anybody on this forum has only 1 pedal on their board. Geez, some of you have several Eventide pedals. This would be no different, except for that if I want RingMod on my machine instead of Shimmer, then that would be possible.

@stratguy - if you like the space and modfactor as is, you could still have your machines set up like that and it would be no different.

 

[stratguy23]

@stratguy - if you like the space and modfactor as is, you could still have your machines set up like that and it would be no different.

I think your idea is nice, and I see your point, but I like mine the way they are, so I guess I don't see it as necessary for me to switch (why fix it if it isn't broken right?), I would only jump on board if it was more like an M9 where you could use 3 effects at a time and maybe have more than 12 algorithms. That's all I'm saying.

 

[td2243]

I'd be all over that too.

 

[AndrewC]

I would gladly pay $1000 for a pedal with the 12 algorithms of my choice instead of $400-500 for the set of algorithms of the same type. I mean, the Space has vast improvements over the first few pedals. Why don't they just release a be-all-end-all Eventide pedal? They would only have to do firmware updates for 1 pedal instead of 4 and everyone would have what they need in one box.

FYI - there is the Eventide Eclipse, which has all the Modfactor/Pitchfactor/Timefactor and Space sounds in a single unit box. It's not a pedal and it retails at $2k, but I have seen them used for $1200 and if you have a foot controller it should be easy to MIDI up.

 

[ringemaster]

Its a great idea. Kind of like the Line6 M5, but with Eventide's algorithms. I'd do it.