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Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by Motherfuzzer, Feb 8, 2020.
I would love a vintage ac4, but probably out of my price range.
Does anyone know if the old Supro Supers are voiced like a tweed champ?
Oh yeah. I’d love any thing Vox England.
Little Gibsons and Kays are more fun than Champs to me.
They are, but mine was modded to get closer to tweed champ specs with a tweed deluxe tone stack. It’s a fire breather in a suitcase livery!
I have a 1471/1481. The original speaker died and I put a cheap eminence eight 15 in. I've never owned a champ, but I really like this amp. Dimed, it's just where I like an amp gain-wise. Clean with a neck single coil, breaks up a bit with a tele bridge pickup. Crunchy with humbuckers and p90's and grinds with a boost pedal.
Kind of boxy and mid forward, records great.
I have an old Supro 1616T that's a fantastic little amp.
Well, that is a trip and a half. Never saw or heard of that one before. chassis looks like mine but a P10T is the weakest speaker they made, IIRC, will not hold up to any real playing.
There's one on Reverb. It looks like a cool amp.
Does yours have the 6x9?
Is it champ flavored?
Kalamazoo Model 1?
Mine has the original 8" Jensen alnico and it sounds great. It's more so tweed flavored than champ flavored. It holds together a lot better than a champ at higher volumes.
Vega A-49 amp.
I own 2 of them, one is late 50s, the other is 1961.
6 watts, 5y3 rectifier, 6v6gt power tube, 6sn7 preamp tube. 8” Jensen speaker.
It’s kind of a champ clone.
I’m a Vega freak so when I stumbled across my first one I was stoked. They do sound a bit different from each other, as one has a 6sn7 preamp tube, and one has a 6eu7 preamp tube. other than that they are the same.
I like the sound of them both, the 6sn7 is a little smoother and the 6eu7 breaks up a little earlier.
I like the 50s Gibson GA-5 Les Paul Junior. They break up at a fairly low volume, and they sound like early ZZ Top. I used to have one, and I wish I had kept it.
I also love the Garnet Herzog preamp/amp. Garnet has been making them since the 70s, and they still make a reissue. It's a modded Champ circuit running into a resistor that loads the signal down to line level. You can run it into the front of another amp or anything else that accepts a line level signal (e.g., audio interface), and on some of the newer models you can bypass the resistor and run it straight into a speaker cabinet. I think it sounds best running into a slightly dirty amp and a 4x12 cabinet (or a digital simulation of that, which is how I usually use it).
This is a Herzog running into an SVT:
I'm not really sure how to classify the sound. It doesn't really sound like a Champ to me. I think it sounds more like a tweed Bassman or a tweed Twin turned up almost all the way.
1960 Gibson GA-5 Skylark (stock Jensen speaker)
1961 Supro 1614 "Spectator" ("skink stripe," volume, tone, WGS 8" ceramic speaker)
1963 Supro 16T (volume, tone, tremolo, stock 6"x9" speaker)
All have unique characteristics/tone, all sound different. GA-5 is probably closest to a tweed Champ, but they all have "tweedy" characteristics. All cost me $400-500, and they're all basically "untouchable" parts of my collection.
Here's another single-ended amp for your consideration. This is a Valco-made amp with an 8" jensen alnico speaker. It has three inputs; there are other identical amps made by Valco under various labels like Supro, Gretsch, Airline, etc. The three inputs (rather than 2) is important though, it enables you to bridge two channels to boost the gain. Here are a couple clips of mine.
I still prefer my Dearmond R5T, it's much less of a one-trick pony; with it's 10" speaker, it's capable of quite a bit more, IMO.
Well, I went with the Gibson Gibsonette GA-8. It's a double Champ, bigger tone, better overdrive, but it's 9 watts. Gibson Skylark is a 5w amp with an el84, IIRC. That would be different.
The GA8 looks nice.
Did the Skylark circuit change at all between the 50's and 60's versions?
The 50's version looks like the early champs, are they similar?
I have an email in on a local CL ad with a bundle of stuff including a Harmony 303A. Still waiting on a reply.