F1 2014----Part II

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  1. andrekp

    andrekp Member

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    But the technology has become the be-all/end-all of F1's engines. There seems to be little regard for making a racing engine, and 100% regard for making a technological marvel. Is that the right way to go about this?

    Shouldn't constructors be able to produce whatever kind of engine gets them within the predefined performance requirements of the FIA? Should the FIA simple say, "engines must be limited to 500bhp," (or whatever description works) and then allow whatever engine to be produced within that paradigm? Maybe one team does it with a V8, another with a V10, another with a turbo V6, etc. What would be wrong with that simple formula? Why should there be requirements, based on a false premise, that the engines be "green," requiring massive fragile technology and requiring a racing team (A RACING TEAM!!) to have to worry about using too much gas!? The engines rules are simply absurd and could only appeal to a bureaucratic mind devoid of any real love for racing cars.
     
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    it is the constraints of any endeavor that not only make it interesting, but worthwhile. You only have 5 notes in a blues scale.
     
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    F1 is full of guys whose job it is to take any "simple" formula and turn it into a way to dominate everyone else if at all possible. They're highly motivated, professional smart guys. People who propose "simple rules" to make for "exciting" races: aren't.

    Consider: Lotus 88, Brabham Fan Car, McLaren Fiddle Brake, brake water, qualifying seats, Benetton's last menu option, etc.
     
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    Well said! Big fan of F1 here. The politics might be crazy, but the technology is amazing.
     
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    right on. they change the technology and evolve so you get to see the development efforts and new teams rise to the top... sure there are disparities with income. that is called an unfair advantage... and racers take advantage of this every chance they can... I don't know one racing series running under communist or socialist rules... might be cool but I doubt it.
     
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    Maybe we're misunderstanding each other, but I'd RATHER see an F1 with things like the fan car, etc. than one where each constructor makes a car that is 95% identical to every other car and where the strict rules allow dominant cars to remain dominant until the next major rules revision.

    I WANT more experimentation in the cars, and I think two things work against it:
    1). The rules.
    2). The money involved in F1, which I think tends to be adverse to taking risks with the car design (hence, ever car is pretty much the same - unpainted, only an expert could tell them apart).

    The realist in me knows that even if the rules were relaxed, nothing would really change, as the money at risk would still be too high. Every manufacturer would still be copying every other one. But all you need to do is (like your list) look back at the diversity of the cars of the past to see what has been lost in F1.
     
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    Frozen engine development,restricted fuel use,tires designed to fail have led to an noticeable drop in viewership. Next stop nascar - double point races,oh they already have
     
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    Um, NASCAR?
     
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    I agree with your points. The biggest concern was the fuel consumption and Formula 1 being green. How ironic is that, F1 becoming green. The development of ERS was the critcal standpoint for all manufacturers and constructors to take note in moving forward.
     
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    I like the creativity going on in F1 although it really became extreme this past year. I do onot want identical cars, etc. though. That would just be like Indy cars, which I personally think is boring and I used to like the Indy series until I heavily got into F1.
     
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    I'm totally in favor of giving the teams creative freedom, instead of being completely stifled by the rules as they are now. The only problem with that is that the teams with the most money will almost always have the upper hand. If there was a realistic way to regulate how much the teams are spending and give them a reasonable cap, it would allow more teams to be competitive. Plus, any resulting technological advances would be more accessible to car manufacturers. (i.e. more affordable).
     
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    Well, the "way" would be...strict rules. Which isn't realistic. Plus, Ferrari would always argue that any cap is unreasonable, particularly when they're in standard Maranello mode of spending a fortune to suck.

    A simple way to keep budgets down is to choke advertising: only allow advertising on the car and driver of companies who make something used on the car. The big money isn't coming from those sources--it's been from tobacco (now banned), and other non-automotive companies. Even then, money wants to go where it can make more money, so I'm sure there's ways around it.

    Regardless, the team that spends the most money isn't always the winner, but the teams that spend the least never are. Ferrari will always have a ton of money courtesy of Fiat and by virtue of the Ferrari brand merchandise.

    Plus, F1 is at the point where things that help them find those crucial tenths of a second around Spa don't translate to road cars, or not at any cost-effective ratio--carbon fiber brakes, aerodynamics, super fast clutches, other exotic materials, etc.
     
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    These things always filter down. Double clutches are already on sports cars. You can get carbon fibre brakes also as an option if you want to spend the money.
     
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    Exactly, but that's due to the overly restrictive rules. If the teams had a lot more leeway to innovate, you never know what crazy ideas they'll come up with. :dunno
     
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    traviswalk In the Great State Gold Supporting Member

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    Is it just me, or does this look weird all the way around?? Maybe it's how Schumacher looked when he first joined, but Seb and the Ferrari red don't sit well with the eye. Hmmm.

     
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    Maybe it's the generic red/white helmut? Not used to seeing Vettel in those colors as well as Ferrari Red. Is the the 2012 Ferrari? Boy, I miss the sound of the high revs of the V8.
     
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    Ferrari red didn't fit Kimi either but it turned out pretty good.
     
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    Has Alonso actually signed with McLaren yet?
     
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    Weren't they going to announce the 2015 line up today?
     

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