Fake shredders? Did you know this is a thing?

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  1. Defendant

    Defendant Member

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    Makes sense. I've been a fake 'feel player' for years
     
  2. Doode

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    Which he didn't.

    @CanserDYI You put a lot of effort in this. I wonder why. And I don't get how you can think it's ok to basically not play stuff but clearly pretend you play that stuff.

    Do you think it's legit if an actor gets praise (and further employment) for his amazing stunts, when he actually doesn't do them himself and it's all stuntmen and cgi?

    "Yeah, the movies are brushed up a little, but I saw him jump off a park bench and riding a pony at the county fair once."

    As for liking the music: Yeah, no problem with that. Or to put in the style of @Dasein : It's one thing to have/like fake boobies, but it's another thing to pretend they're real.
     
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  3. Johnny Ninefingers

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    Shawn Lane was a very musically astute player; and seems to have been exposed to some interesting material.

    Conlon Nancarrow’s piano studies are a good reference point for shredders.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conlon_Nancarrow

    In some respects Nancarrow started all of this impossible-to-play live stuff with his player-piano studies. Pianists can’t play many of his pieces, though they are on a piano. Shawn Lane may have been making a point here.

     
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  4. FuzzyAce

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    Shawn could do it tastefully, with emotion, and still throw in devastatingly fast, musical runs. This is one of my favorites of his (and in general), and the only 'trick' is he doubled tracked it and they were panned. Which makes it even more impressive. Starts at around 2:15.

     
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  5. CanserDYI

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    Meh. I'm over this convo. listen or don't listen.
     
  6. GreatSatan

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    I don't think i've ever liked fast 'shred' playing.
    Is it impressive for a short fast solo? Sure.
    Bit too hair metal for my tastes however.
     
  7. MR.K

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    Shawn played all the instruments.
     
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    Looks like he hasn't found the technical trick that can write an imaginative and memorable main riff, lol
     
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  9. McShred

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    Was searching for live videos of Charles....stumbled across this play through gem. Someone should tell them that if you're gonna do a live playthrough, you should at least plug in first.


    This is Rings of Saturn....at what is purported to be a live concert....but you can hear the triggered drums. There is a BK vocal track as well, which begs the question...if you're running fake drums and fake vocals, is it out of the realm of possibility that you might run fake guitars too?. I don't know how anyone can watch this and pretend that they are hearing a live band.
     
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  10. John Hurtt

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    I don't know about that video, but there are guys out there that can play that fast and clean live. Neil Zaza is the first guy to come to mind, while much of his work is slower and melody based, he can drop sections of blazingly fast work into his playing if he thinks it makes the song better.
     
  11. CanserDYI

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    Yep all fake you win. I'll throw away my albums that I enjoy listening to.
     
  12. frankencat

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    Fake shredders lol.
     
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  13. McShred

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    Rings of Saturn..... 100% running guitar tracks live.

    @CanserDYI

    Watch carefully starting at 3:45...both guitar players are down in the first position, djenting away...yet miraculously, someone is tapping out arpeggios while both their hands are still in first position.

     
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  14. CanserDYI

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    Man you are really into this aren't you. Wicked man. Have fun, I'll start worshipping Van Halen like i'm supposed to be. I'm so sorry for enjoying an obviously inferior music style. You seriously showed me the light man, thank you so much.
     
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    Thank goodness for the live clip of Shawn Lane in this thread...
     
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    LOL...real fake "musicians".
     
  17. FuzzyAce

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    yep. He was at least as good on keys as guitar. Arguably better?
     
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    A friend of mine is convinced that this guy speeds up his videos. Thoughts?

     
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    Triggered drums are not 'fake' though. While I would agree that using triggers so you can do gravity blasts is kinda cheating the notes are still being played, just not at the dynamic you're hearing from the trigger. Regardless, triggered drum sounds are a mainstay in the metal world mainly for consistency of sound. Some guys definitely don't sound the same without them but many do.

    No comment on anything else in that video, not a fan.
     
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    Hey -- you don't get to do that -- YOU KEPT arguing about their live chops as definitive proof of their ability -- you got that turned back on you --- you don't get to be all butt hurt -- you say - "Oh - well I guess I might have been wrong, and my arguments in this thread have been off the mark - BUT I still enjoy the music though I won't get all tied up into the myth of live execution being needed to legitimize it...."
     
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