Fancy CESH ideas (chromatic embellishment of static harnony)

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  1. Clifford-D

    Clifford-D Member

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    CESH (chromatic embellishment of static harnony) is a way to make
    it more interesting and develope energy moving towards a chord change
    (IV chord in a blues perhaps)

    Avery common CESH is the good old Staiway-ish CESH

    .im..............................ivm
    Am...An/M7..Am7...Am6..Dm9
    -5-----5-----5-----5-----5
    -5-----5-----5-----5-----5
    -5-----5-----5-----5-----5
    -7-----6-----5-----4-----3
    --------------------
    --------------------

    Sadly, this is old as the hills and often sounds just too predictable

    With all the brains in the TGP multiverse, I figure there are CESH's
    that people are wanting to share

    Any other good CESH's out there?
     
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    Hi Clifford: change the title of your topic. It's "contrapuntal", not "chromatic", as mentioned in the other thread.
     
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    I don't agree Jon,

    Contrapuntal is the movement of two melodies in relation to each other

    It's a counterpoint term, it has nothing to do with static harmony and it's not the same as oblique motion

    The terms of countrapuntal and chromatic do get mixed up, but they are two different thing imo.

    Contrapuntal
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrapuntal_motion

    CESH
    http://books.google.com/books?id=tnmTMT6Hfi0C&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=Chromatic+Embellishment+of+Static+Harmony&source=bl&ots=Jej07asU2u&sig=-bulxgFedbWd0GtxEvuI-t1oOHQ&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Chromatic%20Embellishment%20of%20Static%20Harmony&f=false- look on page 108
     
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    This?

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    |10-|10-|10-|10-|10-|10-|
    |-9-|-9-|-9-|-9-|-9-|-9-|
    |10-|10-|10-|10-|10-|10-|
    |12-|11-|10-|-9-|-8-|-7-|
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    Thank you for that, however, it is exactly the same as the one I posted
    just a different set of strings :)
     
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    Yep ... I like the position though... especially arpin' 'em and I think Fmaj7... though I can see why Dm9 can be handled....
     
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    Is there a popular major chord CESH? Or other qualities of chords??
     
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    Try something with E9?
     
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    A Maj

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    -5--6--7--8----------------------
    -6--6--6--6----------------------
    -7--7--7--7----------------------
    -0--0--0--0----------------------
    ---------------------------------

    Something like that?
     
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    Not sure I'd call it fancy but:

    C - Caug - C6 - C7


    E--X--X--X--X
    B--1--1--1--1
    G--0--1--2--3
    D--2--2--2--2
    A--3--3--3--3
    E--X--X--X--X

    You could always throw in a CMAJ7 at the end there too if you want five movements of the tone.

    A nice pattern is C - Caug - C6 - Caug before your standard I-vi-IV-V/iii

    kinda like this 'cover band'...
     
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    Here's one from a turnaround in "what a wonderful world"

    Gm7, F#dim7, Gm7/F, C7/E. Played on the first four stings with the bass descending down the D string from the fifth fret.

    Good thread.
     
  12. JonR

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    I know what "contrapuntal" means. I'm only saying that the "C" in CESH stands for contrapuntal, whether we like it or not - and whether it's theoretically right or wrong.
    http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/CESH
    It may not be the right word for what most CESH sequences turn out to be - but neither does "chromatic" cover them all either. (See next post...;))
     
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    Yes - the one in Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying, that started this whole debate!

    Fmaj7 - Gm7 - Am7 - Gm7 is a common CESH for an extended F major chord. (DLTSCYC just replaced the Gm7 with Bbmaj7).

    There's a dorian one similar to the above that goes (in A dorian):
    Am7 - Bm7 - Cmaj7 - Bm7.

    And a VERY common mixolydian one that goes:

    E - E6 - E7 - E6 (I know you recognise that)

    (A fancier version of that involves A/E in place of E6, giving 2 harmonized lines.)

    Nothing "chromatic" about these, of course, so they don't answer your redefinition of what "CESH" stands for ;). (But then they're not especially "contrapuntal" either, AFAIK.)
     
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    I don't know where the term originated from, but the first time I heard it used was in Jerry Coker's "Keyboard for Pianists and Non-Pianists." He defines CESH there as "Contrapuntal Elaboration of Static Harmony." It's the same concept we're talking about here, so it's not a different idea.

    Personally I don't care what you call it. :)

    Anyway, he devotes an entire 4 pages of his book to this concept, with a list of at least 40 examples (e.g. My Funny Valentine, James Bond theme, Cry Me a River).

    The book is well worth checking out if you're at all interested in learnig to simply comp standards-based jazz tunes on the piano. I also really like the section titled "Idiomatic Keyboard Vamps," where he shows you how to play riffs from Watermelon Man, Cantaloupe Island, All Blues, Killer Joe, etc. The voicings there are for piano, of course, but with a little effort you can adapt them to guitar.
     
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    Jon, Sorry, but that is not CESH - Fmaj7 Gm Am Gm - where is the static harmony?

    If we're talking about the use of "Contrapuntal" then there is only one movement that fits,
    and that would be oblique movement. Similar, contrary and parallel do not apply. Only oblique
    works for CESH, and the type of CESH I'm refering to is CHROMATIC.

    What is chromatic or oblique in F Gm Am Gm?
     
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    Summertime? Masquerade?
     
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    Stan Kenton's Minor Riff has two minor chord with chromatically notes from the 5th.

    Like Dm->Dmb6->Dm6 and also Gm->Gmb6->Gm6

    Not sure if those snippets fit the criteria.
     
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    It's that spy theme

    -3----3----3----3
    -3----4----5----4
    -3----3----3----3
    -5----5----5----5
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    legit and different, an ascending CESH
    thanks Mike
     

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