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fargen dual classic or divided by 13 FRT

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by oscar100, Aug 4, 2005.

  1. oscar100

    oscar100 Member

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    im down to tehse 2 choices but neither are available in UK for me to try so i hope you can help me choose

    any stories on either amp or fargens blackbird that may help me decide one way or teh otehr are appreciated

    needs to be loud enuff to small gig with drums but quiet enuff for studio + some home -

    head format with reverb

    20w or so

    BFDR and ZZtop crunch ish

    takes pedals well

    good lead tone - not fizzy
     
  2. abergdahl

    abergdahl Member

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    You might wan't to consider Custom By Cougar Hawk amp, it's a Dual 6V6 amp that has the same type of preamp as the Thunderbird and the 6V6 power amp will make it sound more fenderish than the slightly Voxy Thunderbird.

    Take a look here: http://www.custombycougar.com

    These are made in Sweden which means that shipping, import tax and VAT will be less of an issue.

    I have not tried the Hawk yet but i LOVE my Thunderbird and will report as soon as i get a chance to play the Hawk.
     
  3. oscar100

    oscar100 Member

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    cmon guys - help me out here....what should it be?

    ;)
     
  4. big mike

    big mike Moderator - EL34 Emeritas Staff Member

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    I'd go with the Fargen Jo. /13 is a great amp, taking nothing away from them at all. But from your description, the Fargen does more of what you're wanting.
     
  5. mountain blues

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    I've never played a ÷13 FTR, but given your design and tone specs, the Dual Classic does that perfectly. That is why I got mine. I have the 6L6 version, but for the 20 watts you could go with 6V6's.

    The Dual Classic is a superb amp.
     
  6. DerekMinnich

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    The ÷13 FTR 37 (not FRT....it would've been but I guess Fred didn't want to make people think of the word Fart) is everything your asking for. It's 37 watts though and 4 6V6's...it has a half power mode though also. If you need the louder cleans at a gig you can always use it in full power mode or if you want dirt at lower volumes you can use the half power switch. Killer reverb, great cleans, and good dirt. Me and a friend were talking recently and he said it has a very "custom" sound....indeed it does. It's got its own thing going on which IMO is very cool.
     
  7. KennyM

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    Can't speak for the Fargen although it seems to have pretty positive reviews around here but I can offer my findings on the FTR 37.

    I think the 37 is the best sounding amp I have ever owned. I've only taken it out for a few live gigs and it sounded stellar in each diferent playing situation. Plenty loud for anything but your death metal gig. As 99% of what I use it for is recording, I can only tell you that I can't get a bad sound out of this amp. Doesn't matter what kind of mic or whether you mic the G12H30 or Blue, it all sounds phenomenal. Takes pedals like a champ too.

    Just to qualify things, I've been playing since I saw the Beatles on Ed Sullivan as a kid and I've owned just about every amp out there including a Dumble. I can't speak highly enough for the amps that Fred builds and they all have this bigger than life sound that I've never found before.

    Kenny M.
     
  8. Seegs

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    I have a Dual Classic and have played through a D13 ERT33 and compared both extensively...

    I have not heard the FRT 37 but between the ERT33 and the Fargen DC I would go with the Fargen...

    Chow,
    Seegs
     
  9. philster

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    I am with Kenny on this one. My 2001 built 37 (serial #5, if I remember right), is just a monster of an amp. Unbelievably tight low end. Can go from clean jangly to screaming overdrive with a turn of the guitar volume knob.
    Never touched a tube in 4 years and I swear it sounds better every time I play it.

    Phil
     
  10. oscar100

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    seems equally balanced so far......what am i gonna do?

    nice problem to have tho....
     
  11. Seegs

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    If you're ever in Germany you can come by and check the Fargen out...my friend Chrissy has a D13 ERT33 and he ordered a Fargen DC Head with matching cab. after playing through mine...

    You can run 6L6 or 6V6 tubes in the DC for anywhere from 20-40 watts...

    I think he still has his D13 ERT33 and a D13 2X12" celestion Blue loaded cab. and it is still avaliable...!!



    Chow,
    Seegs
     
  12. DestroyAllGuitars

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    Fargen's new overdrive channels are setting a new standard.
    I have both the SCO( the only one made so far) and the VOS
    and they are in a league of their own. Ben's clean channel
    was always killer ( his Blackbird circuit). With that combo, you
    can't go wrong. The only 2 people to play my SCO besides myself
    so far, have both ordered one within 15 minutes of plugging in,
    and these were both pro studio owners with fairly amazing
    amp collections. The VOS which is his EL34 based overdrive is
    quickly becoming one of the most highly talked about new amps
    available. People are selling off amps in the 5k to 40k range
    and replacing them with the VOS. Fargen is the place to be. I've
    been producing guitar driven rock records since 1974 and I
    will be using both the SCO and VSO as two of my main tools
    for some time to come.

    I've been through them all, I've just purchased 17 new amps for
    my studio and I do very extensive research and days worth
    of A/B testing and my choices in the boutique world came down
    to Fargen, Bruno, TopHat and Straub. IMO these are some of
    the best designers and builders out there. I believe that Fargen
    is about to explode and spin a lot of peoples heads with his
    new designs. He has the potential to make a mark like Trainwreck
    or D***ble have with his new designs.
     
  13. RichSZ

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    Yep, everything D said...awesome amp!
     
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    Thanks for the info, Cliff.

    I am very interested in whats going on at Fargen amps - but I'm not sure exactly what is going to be issued together with the respective features/sounds etc.

    Could you or Ben chip in here and let us know details of the SCO, VOS etc and what the channel voicings etc are like/capable off

    Its hard to get a feel for the amps since there is no UK dealer

    Thanks,

    Graeme. :cool:
     
  15. DestroyAllGuitars

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    Graeme,

    Send me an email with your info and Ben and I will get on the
    phone with you. The options are almost limitless as you can
    customize or go with a Bordeaux or Dual Classic.

    Cliff
     
  16. mountain blues

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    Oscar,
    To give you more info, the Dual Classic has Ben's signature Blackface circuit in channel 1 — no master volume — and channel 2 is a master volume circuit that goes from a clean tweed Bassman to a cranked JTM45 as you dial in the master. It isn't a channel switcher — you need an A/B/Y box — and combining both channels creates an amazing tone.
     
  17. Chrissy

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    My Dual Classic is in the final tweaking stage and will ship next week - I'm VERY excited to receive this amp. Just to clarify, mine will be Blackface on the first channel and I went for a non-master JTM side to go with it. I also went for no reverb.

    Now, Seegs' Dual Classic, which is the amp that got this model going, has Blackface on one side and tweed bassman on the other, which is a cool combination too. I've played that amp extensively (thanks Seegs!) and that was enough for me to order my own. I've only ever heard it with 6L6 and that tone is SWEET! Like he mentioned, reason enough for me to want to unload my D13 and crank the Fargen!

    Chris
     
  18. jonc

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    "our" booth at the SF/North Bay Guitar show was near to where ben and jim (soloway) were set up. ben "only" had blackbirds with him, but even after two days, and with all the competing noise, ben's amps always sounded great. i have an early epic 30 and think it's one of the best amps i've ever owned. but, if i had the funds another Fargen or two would be mine.

    great amps, great customer service, and a class-act, first-rate guy as well. i hope he does break out. he deserves it. good luck with your amp choice. either the /13 or the Fargen sound like would more than meet your needs, but i know which way i'd go.

    happy hunting.

    jonc
     
  19. straticus

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    He had a VOS and matching 1x12 cad with him too. You're right though ............. they all sounded amazing!
     
  20. DetourMS

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    Oscar-

    Sounds like we are in the market for the same amp. I am looking at two other options as well. The first is the Dual Stage 30 by Budda. This was discontinued a few years back due to some lawsuit threat by mesa (sounds like to me they had nothing to worry about but just caved):

    http://www.amptone.com/buddadualstage30.htm

    The other is by a new company I learned about that is just launching. It looks interesting:

    http://www.conteamps.com/

    I e-mailed them and they are supposed to be doing some
    clinics later this month in the Northeast USA.
     

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