Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by proxy, Feb 9, 2015.
Is the Fargen Olde 800 MKII Point to point or just hand wired?
Hand wired. Very few amps are actually point to point. Carr, BadCat, Matchless, and bc audio are all definitely great examples of point to point.
I think tophat uses terminal strips as well
Thanks. Amps like Divided by 13, Morgan and Two Rock are point to point as well, no?
No most use a tag board to mount components like an old Fender. Most Marshall style use use a Turret board, which is what I assume the Fargen is. Point to point has become a generic term for hand wired. There are world class examples of every style of amp manufacture including PCB's. I wouldn't worry too much about which method is used. True point to point can resemble a rats nest and a pain to work on. Although if you really want point to point you should definitely check out bc audio. He had photos of it on his website. Just phenomenal work. Probably my favorite amps. My next amp will be his amp #7 with a Fryette Power Station.
Handwired =/= point-to-point
Point to point gets you the shortest paths possible, as components are soldered directly to each other, but it can look shite when the circuit is anything but simple.
The Fargen Old 800 guts pictured below are not point-to-point
Thanks for the recap/reminder.
But will manufacturers sometimes still say "hand wired" but use a PCB?
I am generally trying to avoid PCBs because I've had to have a couple of PCB amps repaired and it took forever.
I'm not avoiding PCB because of tone FWIW.
Yes. For example my friedman be100 says handwiredd but it has a circuit board. My friedman dirty Shirley says handwiredd but uses a turrett board. I think it's a broad term and if it's really that important to you def shoot the amp maker an email before you buy. As long as it's well built I don't think it matters at all though.
Keep in mind that there are pcb's and there are PCB's! For example, look at the pcb on say, a Blues Jr. Tiny, thin traces that could crack and short at any moment. And the tiny mini-components attached to the pcb. And, often, tube sockets mounted directly to the pcb! THEN, look at the PCB on a Tone King or a Freidman.......it is a totally different animal! solid, sturdy, full sized components, chassis mounted tube sockets and, lots of "hand wiring."
Check out the Metro Plex. Goo d example of a PCB build done well. Or look at the Cherry Bomb and Bottle Rocket by Henning. Those are done extremely well and one of them has tube sockets on the PCB. If done correctly, its a non-issue.
Turret board construction with chassis mounted tubes, transformers, jacks, pots and switched is my personal favorite method of amp construction.
And that is not considered point to point.
Yes, yes yes!
I always loved the look of my Bad Cat Cub II guts. PTP goodness and easy to work on!
Can't argue with true PTP beauty, but easier to work on than a turret board??
So, from a durability/repair perspective...
Cheap PCB (thin connections) is the hardest to repair and least reliable.
Good PCB (more robust connections) is easier to repair and more reliable.
Turret Board is hand wired but not PTP, and pretty easy to work with.
PTP is nice if done well, but can also be a mess.
Do I have that right?
A bit oversimplified, but mostly accurate IMO.