First impressions and gigs with the G-System

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  1. Scott Peterson

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    Well, I buckled under GAS and got one.

    This past Labor Day I used it on my country gigs for the biggest shows I have played in my life - on the national stage at Arts, Beats and Eats in Pontiac, Michigan. (the second show was later on the Dodge Stage).

    In the country bands, I play straight up acoustic and tried using the G-System out to my Radial JDI DI to FOH.

    Flat out - I love it. It is everything I wanted it to be and more at this point.

    The floorboard is utterly gorgeous. Sturdy enough to inspire complete confidence. I run the rack part in my old 6 space SKB with a drawer for the pedals I like. One CAT-5 cable from the board to the rack. Setup.... done. The floorboard fits pretty well (it is tight) in the Gator bag I have for the POD XTL (and luck would have it, I have two of the Gator bags!)

    I have it dialed into my rack, with the pedals all connected and it works great with the electric rig.

    Just to comment on it - there is no real loss of tone or feel. Folks were spooked about the AD/DA-AD/DA setup of the G-System; all I can say is they got the converters right. You would never know you had any conversion going on. It sounds organic and warm. The guitar's volume pot works exactly like you want it to; no funny loading issues. Mucho impressed.

    The floorboard is just beautiful to work with. The knobs are big and easy to step on with boots. It is easy to see/read in the direct sunlight outdoors and on the darkest stage. The tuner works great; very accurate and a snap to use. One side thing - the tuner is always on, so if you hold a note it tells you you are in tune on the LED display with arrows. Hard to describe, cool to see/use.

    The footswitches are solid as hell; and no they haven't "fallen off" yet like the anymous "reviewers" on HC have claimed (and I dispute, read those "reviews" for real man - that is just stupid). The encoders and the way it works to tweak is fast and easy. There is a computer editor coming in the next month or so from TC, that'll make my day.

    With the electric guitars, I have a Vox Volume pedal that I run into the G-System floorboard as a wah or EFX controller. The wah, much to my surprise and extremely high expectations, sounds freaking incredible. Not just good, not just okay, not just passable. REALLY good. That one thing - amongst many others - totally have me sold on this.

    The filter stuff sounds smooth and round. No surprises, you can do some cool things with the vocal filters. Useful? Dunno. Fun? Yes. For envelope filter stuff, I am more than impressed. Very good.

    Compression is perhaps the biggest improvement over the G-Major on the whole thing. You can use this compresser and it sounds great. Dig it.

    Modulation is good. The chorus is fun because you can sync up the modulations with the tempo; the Line 6 XTL spoiled me with this power; now I love it.

    I like a slight detune on the acoustic; the pitch stuff works great for it. Extremely useful; I had it on the entire set of gigs on Monday. Great stuff.

    Delays and reverbs are good. Useful and all tap tempo. Nothing you don't expect; and not on the level of Eventide; but they do sound good.

    The boost is genious. You are actually attenuating your signal with the G-System; and the boost is really not a boost more than an off switch for the attenuation. You can set it for anything from 0db to 10db. I like it at 6db and it works perfectly.

    For the acoustic setup, I run the guitar to the G-System to a DI to FOH. (details earlier in the post). The result? Killer. Using the compresser, slight detune to fatten and the boost when needed. Nothing more needed; and the thing worked perfectly.

    I dig it. All I need now is the Leslie effect of my choice (I have the L6 Rotomachine on preorder) to plug into one of the loops and I have everything I wanted to get.

    In the end, I had very specific wants and needs; the G-System delivered them. It met my expectations and by using it in the acoustic rig now; exceeds them (hadn't even considered doing that, damn glad I did!)

    With this thing I can use the relays to switch the Flexi's boost on/off; with the midi out to the Axess CFX4 I can control my VHT 50/ST. I can use it to control the Acoustic rig.

    I can now use my one rig to play country, funk, rock, R&B or whathave you. Acoustic or electric. Small, easy to cart around and it sounds fantastic. Every musician and sound guy (all the sound guys on the BIG national stage were all over me to check it out (and the Line 6 Variax Acoustic to boot)). Ahh, I pounded my chest with GAS vapors spewing out of me. "Me gear. Me gear goooooooooood." :D

    I need one more thing to make it complete; and that is the result of the design of the Flexi's loop and not the G-System. I need a tube buffered loop with send/return level controls ala the Rodenberg Amplification's Flexloop3D to get the setup I want to run. I also set up my wireless in the rig and man, what fun.

    All in all, maiden voyage is complete and the thing rocks. Big 3 hour show coming next weekend; at night with this one outdoors. I'll report in on it.
     
  2. Scott Peterson

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    Here are some pics shot at the gig; there are more coming of the whole stage/band, but this is what I have right now. :D Ummm, yea, I am that goofy looking. So don't point that out. :D

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    Scott, thanks for the info, question though. I remember you being a big proponent for the Line 6 XT Floor unit, what would your criteria for one versus the other, as Line6 compared to the TC G.SYSTEM?

    TheGrooveking
     
  4. Scott Peterson

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    They don't compare really. There is some crossover, of course, but everything they both do the TC does better.

    FWIW, I own the XTL and am not selling it or considering selling it.

    The XTL can't run the wah and compression out in front of your preamp; and your time based efx in the loop. It is all in front or all in the loop with the XTL.

    The XTL has the amp distortions and OD; the TC has none.

    The quality of the TC, the tone/efx are all first class. The display on the TC is much better.

    The XTL has good sounds and isn't really the same thing as the G-System at all.

    You need to send power and run send/return to the XTL. The G-System has one CAT5 cable. Up to 50 feet.

    The XTL is a good consumer product. The G-System is a piece of pro gear.

    All IMHO.
     
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    Scott,

    Thanks for your review.

    I've heard that, when switching patches, there is a slight delay/gap (i.e. not instantaneous). Is this true?

    This thing could make my setup much more simple, but for some strange reason I still remain skeptical. Nice to get your input.

    Laser
     
  6. Scott Peterson

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    Not true at least in what I have found thus far. There is spillover from the previous preset, so that might be what they are trying to communicate. It is as instant as instant gets.

    Don't buy into the stupid anonymous reviews on HC. Please. Talk to real folks that spend real money and have real opinions based on experience. (Not really directing this at you, but I am pretty sick of HC reviews being taken serious.... especially the ones on the G-System).
     
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    Good for training oneself to use a slide, perhaps? (I.e., fast enough? and if you go for--or need--that kind of feedback, ahem... like I do.)

    I'd been eyeballing that unit. Nice to read it has the synchronized filters. Love that effect! Does it accept midi clock? I imagine it does.

    I love my TC Finalizer. If the compression is anything like that, and it must be since it's the same company, then, dang....
    :dude
    What outdoor concert are you playing, if you don't mind my asking?
     
  8. Scott Peterson

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    Arts, Beats and Eats in Pontiac. Hit with TJ Kelly at 1pm and then Laura Wilkie at 3pm on Monday. It was a blast.
     
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    .......ummmm, probably why I asked you the question. :)

    I take all reviews with a healthy dose of caution, but they do save you a lot of time and $$$ when they raise an issue you may not think about when demoing the unit. Like most, I never buy on reviews--but they do help me narrow down the candidates to a managable handful to go out and try.

    I value your opinion over those I have no history with. Still scratching my head over the POD thang, though.

    Laser
     
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    This is slightly off topic , but who's that country-looking guitar player dude who used to play Filter and Soundgarden stuff?????? :D :p OK , nevermind... I grew up playing classical piano , and quickly switched to rock guitar , and love blues, fusion, jazz, metal , rock , punk and loads of styles but never can retrieve any 'country 'feel from my soul! If I had a chance to play something other than my typical rock dive, maybe that could change!

    On topic: AREN'T MUSICAL TOYZ FUN! ;)

    ERIC
     
  11. Scott Peterson

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    :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude
     
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    I played my first gig with my G System last Friday night and didn't notice any delay when switching patches. The spillover is the coolest thing ever. I've never had that on any rack/pedal processor and it's just freaking awesome. The loops are really, really good. My pedals sound great through them.
     
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    So where's a picture of this setup? C'mon!! We wanna see!!!
     
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    ....This show!
    :)
     
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    D'oh!

    Woodhaven Family Days - Saturday, 7-10p in Civic Center Park at West and Hall Road in Woodhaven.

    :D
     
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    I'm testing this baby right now.

    First impressions:
    Far better FX's though I found the reverb nothing special.
    Noisegate is far better than my G-major. Compressor is also improved.

    Pro's :
    Modern roadproof design. (well.....I haven't gigged with it yet)
    Better FX
    More transparent than G-major
    responds faster to your playing (kind of high slewrate)
    All-in-one approach (can be a con)
    200 user presets
    I found the filter very creative

    Con's :
    Small display (I use a Ground Control Pro at the moment)
    Only four 9V outs not split/balanced (I have a PP II)
    Not suitable for big midirigs (onl;y sending/receiving on one midichannel)
    You have te set gain on several stages. (input guitar, loops 2X, volume....) It's not plug and play.
    Small errors in recent software version.

    Vinni

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    Scott-
    A few G-System - Flexi ? if you don't mind:
    How's it do at maintaining the amp feel and sensitivity of the Flexi?
    How are the delays when used in front of the Flexi?
    What options have you looked into for the loop buffer for the Flexi?

    thanks
     
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    Some answers, but note I have only had the thing for about two weeks.

    Amp feel/tone? Good - it doesn't take anything away from the amp; but note I can't run it in the loop of the Flexi... yet. With the VHT, it sounds absolutely stellar.

    Delays - okay, but I hate delay in front of most amps. I also tend to run delays - if at all - *very* low in the mix. I am not an effects-head type of guy; I actually use very little of them. Delay, for me, is more a spice thing that I don't use very much of. In the loop of the VHT (with a GREAT loop) it sounds super.

    What am I looking at? www.flexamp.com and click on "Flexloop3D". There are rumours of an American company coming out with somthing along those lines, but I have no details and don't know who it is considering it. The Rodenberg looks like the ticket, but I just put $1200 in brakes and tires on my car so it is out of reach for a few weeks until I can get some more $$$ in here.
     
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    Some photos as requested. Note that if I run the wireless, what you see sticking out cordwise is all you need. One CAT5 out to the pedal. Done.

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    In the rack on the pedal tray I have a Xotic AC Boost, Timmy and Tech 21 Double Drive. The wireless is a Shure SLX4. The Furman is a AR-1215 voltage regulater. To be added to the pedal tray will be a Line 6 Rotomachine. The empty rack space will be a tube buffered effects loop interface ala the Rogenberg or something like it.

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    thanks Scott, it was good to meet you at NAMM by the way
     

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