Flat sawn vs Quarter sawn on Fender necks. FS sounds better to me.

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  1. Ron Kirn

    Ron Kirn Gold Supporting Member Vendor

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    got dat rite.... and.. .there is a cut of lumber that is superior, more rigid against the tension the strings place on the necks and far more predictable as far as flexing... it's not QS, and I'm not telling because I don't want everyone demanding it... because in the real world the difference among any of the cuts of lumber is insignificant, but some guys can take Minimal and make a gawwdamn mountain out of it.

    Umm . . . can we have the data on that one please, including the internals? :rolleyes:
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  2. Gevalt

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    Congrats at actually doing the comparison and thanks for sharing your results.
     
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  3. Gevalt

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    No offense, but this type of comment is stale. This is discussion, in the right place and time. Carry on....
     
  4. soulman969

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    Like so many other things IMHO if we believe there will be a difference we'll hear a difference.

    Cognitive reinforcement is always infallible.;)
     
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  5. Bertiman

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    It’s rift sawn. It’s rift sawn. Ha, I got it.... it’s rift sawn. :banana
     
  6. Powderfinger

    Powderfinger Gold Supporting Member

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    But OP said it’s “beyond question.”
     
  7. GuitarMakerNyc

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    He is The Master-deBater. ;)
     
  8. StockRock

    StockRock Gold Supporting Member

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    Some have, in terms of what they use exclusively. Tom Anderson is one.
    Tuners, nut setup, fret job and type, break angles at both ends, string guage, truss rod type and setup, and so much more matter too. But IME over so many guitars, flatsawn is different from QS. Neither is necessarily better, but they are different. And I hear it as Tag describes it. Others have described it the same way too.
     
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  9. gunslinger

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    Quarter sawn is less likely to warp. And it may sustain better as it's less likely to flex and absorb the string's energy like a shock absorber.
     
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    Here's the real secret. :beer

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  11. GuitarMakerNyc

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    Not entirely true... all TA guitars with mahogany necks use quartersawn wood. But flatsawn maple is typically cheaper so it makes sense as a manufacture to use.
     
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    remember that study a few years ago where scientific instruments couldn’t tell the difference between a K Mart violin and a strata various one?
     
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  13. Gevalt

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    Fair enough.
     
  14. BlueRiff

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    I don't know how its sawn, but my three piece maple neck on my Lucille is a beast of tone. But I'd think a quarter-sawn neck would be more stable because of the rings - sort of like a laminate - very strong. I don't like floppy necks. My Carvin bolt has flat sawn neck - but two graphite rods built in so I supposed that is not a good example.
     
  15. Tag

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    So lets get this straight Mr. Guitar maker.. I say the way the way the neck is cut makes a difference tonally. You are saying it makes no difference tonally, is that correct? To be totally specific, I am saying the guitars that I have tested, both teles and Strats that are flat sawn, have a distinct acoustic property, that match up with the vintage guitars I compared them too, and which I have owned. All the quarter sawns also share a specific tone in that they are brighter and have a faster attack. A 'Ping" is a good word to describe it.

    AND, you are saying, that while Vintage Fenders almost all used flat sawn woods, the new Custom shops that are made with quarter sawn woods should sound and react the same way. Is that correct as well?
     
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  16. Tone_Terrific

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    A while back the 'thing' to have was a big neck for big tone.
    Big will be stiffer, of course.
    Now we want a flexi neck for better tone.
    Don't forget the trussrod type...:p

    and so many others.
     
  17. earthmud

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    After many years of reading on here, this isn't the first time I have heard of this. Not sure if it's true but a lot of people have heard the same thing. It's like tone caps. Some people hear a difference and some don't. I have also found a lot of people here will tell me the things I hear aren't true. Good for them if it makes them feel better but I still hear a difference in certain situations people tell me I shouldn't.
     
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  18. MaxTwang

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    Does liking my Relics with quarter-sawn necks, especially the basses, better than flat-sawn necks make me a bad person overall or just a TGP outcast?
     
  19. 5F6-A

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    I like flatsawn.
     
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  20. GuitarMakerNyc

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    What I'm saying is that while I believe you are well-meaning, you are inept. It's obvious you have little understanding of wood. Honestly, you'd get laughed out of any serious tone wood roundtable discussion among luthiers.
     
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