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Fogerty on Letterman

mifar55

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It's always nice to see John Fogerty. Tonight he was on Letterman. I always thought of CCR as Americas version of the Beatles. Three minute songs with a killer hook. It was also cool to see Kenny Aronoff, one of the best drummers out there.
 

Rockledge

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I wish Mr Fogerty would quit butchering his own songs.
I ain't no fortunatAH, I ain't no fortunatAH, I ain't no fortunatAH.. what the hell did he do , take vocal lessons from pentacostle preachers ?
I am a big CCR fan, but the dude really has become a parody of himself.
And, Kenny Arnoff is a great drummer. He just isn't the right choice for CCR type of music, he sounds like what CCR would have sounded like with a drum machine.

I am thinking it is time for Mr Fogerty to start on the Vegas circuit. He could open for Englebert Dinkerhump.

CCRv rocks. JCF and a generic backup band... not so much.
 

Rumblur

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Fogerty was the next evolution of Chuck Berry. The Beatles wrote more complicated music, but not as repeatedly listenable as Fogerty. CCR never gets old, Beatles do for me.

John Fogerty did more with 3 chords than anyone in history, even the vaunted Hank Williams, or Merle Haggard.

Aaronoff is the "killerest" of drummers for CCR type music, it's his gear that doesnt cut it. CCR's sound was that of a HUGE highhat. It was what, like 18 or 21 inches?? Plus he tunes his stuff too tight I think.

I love me some JCF, but lost a LOT of respect for him when he was a douchebag supreme at the RRHOF. He refused to let Clifford and Cook take the stage with him.. that was ******** and childish.

Letterman is a douchebag, cant stand him.. but I love the band. Paul Schaffer is probably the ultimate human jukebox.... AND he's been a part of some of the best albums and music projects of the last 35 years... people dont realize he was a huge part of the Blues Brothers.
 

ungarn

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Always good to see Fogerty and Aaranoff...geez I wish I could sing like that, let alone write the tunes.
 

MR.K

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I enjoyed their set but kept zeroing in on the neck collar thingy. I'm hoping it was a medical brace of some kind and not a fashion statement.
 

Flogger59

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Fogerty was the next evolution of Chuck Berry. The Beatles wrote more complicated music, but not as repeatedly listenable as Fogerty. CCR never gets old, Beatles do for me.

John Fogerty did more with 3 chords than anyone in history, even the vaunted Hank Williams, or Merle Haggard.

Aaronoff is the "killerest" of drummers for CCR type music, it's his gear that doesnt cut it. CCR's sound was that of a HUGE highhat. It was what, like 18 or 21 inches?? Plus he tunes his stuff too tight I think.

I love me some JCF, but lost a LOT of respect for him when he was a douchebag supreme at the RRHOF. He refused to let Clifford and Cook take the stage with him.. that was ******** and childish.

Letterman is a douchebag, cant stand him.. but I love the band. Paul Schaffer is probably the ultimate human jukebox.... AND he's been a part of some of the best albums and music projects of the last 35 years... people dont realize he was a huge part of the Blues Brothers.
This. CCR is on the cover of MOJO this month. It appears that Mr Fogarty carries a lot of anger.
 

blood5150

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My buddy Ben Mauro was the tall blonde dude playing guitar with Fogerty during that performance...he was playing the les paul.

I think there was at least 4-5 guys playing guitar up there!
 

VicAjax

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I enjoyed their set but kept zeroing in on the neck collar thingy. I'm hoping it was a medical brace of some kind and not a fashion statement.
i didn't notice the neck collar because i was too busy staring at his TERRIBLE WIG. :omg

he sounded good though, a lot better than most other nostalgia acts.
 

Etosser

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This. CCR is on the cover of MOJO this month. It appears that Mr Fogarty carries a lot of anger.
While responsible for some classic tunes, John has always come off in the end as petulant and arrogant, which is sad because in some of the interviews I've seen, he seems like he might be a decent guy if he could just grow up. A lot of guys in this business have been cornholed over the years, and yet they move on as best as they can and don't penalize their former bandmates or in Fogerty's case, family as well.

That being said, I love CCR, and caught JF and band on Sessions at West 54th about 10 or so years ago, and they were tight....gave the CCR material a more muscular edge. Great show.
 

VicAjax

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While responsible for some classic tunes, John has always come off in the end as petulant and arrogant, which is sad because in some of the interviews I've seen, he seems like he might be a decent guy if he could just grow up. A lot of guys in this business have been cornholed over the years, and yet they move on as best as they can and don't penalize their former bandmates or in Fogerty's case, family as well.

That being said, I love CCR, and caught JF and band on Sessions at West 54th about 10 or so years ago, and they were tight....gave the CCR material a more muscular edge. Great show.
what's the story behind this? i knew that John and Tom didn't get along and Tom quit the band. and then Clifford and Cook wanted more of a say in the songwriting, but that's pretty much when they went downhill.

i just figured that C & C weren't as good songwriters as Fogerty, and were a little bitter about his control of the band. didn't realize John was a douche.. what'd he do?
 

lumco

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Like his music but wouldn't give him the time of day...Look up arrogant in Webster's and his name is there..and FWIW, he couldn't hold Merle Haggard's or Roy Nichol's guitar strap...
 

mifar55

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Damn, your hammering a guy who was bent over and screwed up the a.s by his record company (Fantasy). For years he was not allowed to even play his own songs. you would cop an attitude too. The rift between the others (including his brother) was the fact that they didn't mind giving up the royalties to the songs, because they didn't write them.
 

RLD

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Damn, your hammering a guy who was bent over and screwed up the a.s by his record company (Fantasy). For years he was not allowed to even play his own songs. you would cop an attitude too. The rift between the others (including his brother) was the fact that they didn't mind giving up the royalties to the songs, because they didn't write them.
Exactly. John gets a pass in my book.
 

strat56

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The owner of Fantasy records even sued him when he released Old Man Down The Road because it sounded vaguely like Green River.

I read an interview by Doug Clifford somewhere recently where he said that John had made some comments about a reunion but that he and Stu were not going to do it. What a shame, one of the most commercially successful bands of the 60's and early 70's.

Personally I think CCR should've fulfilled their commitment to Fantasy instead of giving up everything so they wouldn't have to make any more albums together. Not that they asked me what i thought at the time. :)
 

Route234

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I wish Mr Fogerty would quit butchering his own songs.
I ain't no fortunatAH, I ain't no fortunatAH, I ain't no fortunatAH.. what the hell did he do , take vocal lessons from pentacostle preachers ?
I am a big CCR fan, but the dude really has become a parody of himself.
And, Kenny Arnoff is a great drummer. He just isn't the right choice for CCR type of music, he sounds like what CCR would have sounded like with a drum machine.

I am thinking it is time for Mr Fogerty to start on the Vegas circuit. He could open for Englebert Dinkerhump.

CCRv rocks. JCF and a generic backup band... not so much.
Ive seen Fogerty twice post CCR and very recently I might add and you simply do not know what you are talking about. Im sorry but there is simply no way anyone who is a CCR fan who has gone and seen Fogerty live could utter such nonsense. This is just made up nonsense from a disgruntled fan.
 

Twangmeister

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I agree with the post about Aranoff not being the right drummer for this band. CCR's music rocked and rolled (to take an idea from Keef's playbook). While Aranoff is a great drummer, he plays on or ahead of the beat most of the time and kills the swampy groove of the tunes when compared to the originals. This is all IMHO, of course, but it may be what John wants to hear in his music. I've seen the band twice and they are as tight as possible, playing classic after classic song.
 

Rockledge

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The owner of Fantasy records even sued him when he released Old Man Down The Road because it sounded vaguely like Green River.

I read an interview by Doug Clifford somewhere recently where he said that John had made some comments about a reunion but that he and Stu were not going to do it. What a shame, one of the most commercially successful bands of the 60's and early 70's.

Personally I think CCR should've fulfilled their commitment to Fantasy instead of giving up everything so they wouldn't have to make any more albums together. Not that they asked me what i thought at the time. :)
I heard it was over "Run Through The Jungle" but essentially John Fogerty got sued for sounding like john Fogerty.
There was also a legal hassle over a song called "Zantz Kan't Dance" which had to be changed to "Vantz Kan't Dance".
I have the album that has the original version of "Zant'z Kan't Dance" on it.

From what I have read, seems like the big disagreement in CCR stemmed around Doug Clifford having a degree in business and wanting some say in the bands business affairs and Mr Fogerty wanting to take care of all the business. At least I think I remember that right.
But man, they were just kids, I don't think any of them was 30 yet when it all went down.
 

Rockledge

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Ive seen Fogerty twice post CCR and very recently I might add and you simply do not know what you are talking about. Im sorry but there is simply no way anyone who is a CCR fan who has gone and seen Fogerty live could utter such nonsense. This is just made up nonsense from a disgruntled fan.
Son, I am among the biggest Fogerty and CCR fans, and can play many of their songs note for note, on all instruments.
The very thing that made CCR such a great band is that they had the sound of the worlds best bar band, and Mr Fogerty was able to catch that sound on tape.
Mr Fogerty simply no longer has that sound. He puts on great performances, but that is what they are, performances.
Even his first two solo albums ( 3 if you count "Hoodoo") had that sound to a greater degree.
Now he just sounds rather generic.
I would like to see him go back into the studio and do another album like the BRR album, and play everything himself instead of having guys around him playing stock off the rack licks to his songs.
One of the best things about the worlds best bar band is that all the bass, guitar, and drum licks were creative. The bass lines were fantastic and not typical. The drum licks are the same.
Sometimes complexity and virtuosity gets in the way of creativity.

I think the BRR album as well as the BRR singles that were not on any albums ( and are somewhat obscure and hard to find) was every bit as good as the CCR stuff. He had THAT sound. He no longer has it. CCRv does.

He even can still recognize that sound in other bands, and did so when he produced the Duke Tumato album.
I wish he would hook up with the guys from Duke Tumato and do a tour, that would be great.
Again, the guy doesn't need the best musicians in the industry. He needs great bar band guys that have bar band feel. Kenny Arnoff is great if Rush or Yes ever need a drummer. But not for CCR stuff. Some good bar band drummer with an old Japanese kit with worn heads could do the job just fine.

I agree with the post about Aranoff not being the right drummer for this band. CCR's music rocked and rolled (to take an idea from Keef's playbook). While Aranoff is a great drummer, he plays on or ahead of the beat most of the time and kills the swampy groove of the tunes when compared to the originals. This is all IMHO, of course, but it may be what John wants to hear in his music. I've seen the band twice and they are as tight as possible, playing classic after classic song.
You know, I never thought of it that way before, but you are right, that is exactly what it is. Ahead of the beat. The same thing about Cosmos work applies to Charlie Watts.
I suspect Mr Fogerty may be a bit hesitant to not go with at least one name in his band, lets face it the music industry at times has been pretty bad to him. I am sure he has to weight smart marketing moves in as much as good musical moves. I can see why he chose Mr Arnoff from a marketing stand point, but like you say, from a musical standpoint, not so much.
 
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