For those who don´t know what cone cry sounds like

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  1. foo_3001

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  2. Sean French

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    My ears are quite sensitive to cone cry and ghost notes. I can't stand either.:nono
     
  3. Whiskeyrebel

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    Is it the ring-modulator sort of sound?
     
  4. foo_3001

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    Yup, the octave down sorta sound and the just plain crap at 0:33 for example.
     
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    Holy crap - that's what's wrong with my two rock!!

    Ttthhhaaannnkkk yyyyoooouuuuu!!!!!!
     
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    nmiller Drowning in lap steels Silver Supporting Member

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    Is it normally that faint? I probably wouldn't even notice it.
     
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    Echoplexi Silver Supporting Member

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    Thanks for the clip! Luckily never had this with mine but ghost notes drive me insane
     
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    Thank you. I've always wanted to hear a definitive sample of what cone cry sounds like.
     
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    Very cool of you to post this. I'd never heard that before. Also, nice playing too. Cool licks.
     
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    OK - so what causes this and what does one do about it?
     
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    Damn, that is some serious cry....but some nice guitar playing!
     
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    Both, no doubt.
    :beer
     
  13. RayBarbeeMusic

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    No negative feedback and/or insufficient filtering can cause the exact same sound. Make sure you know the culprit before you go switching things around.

    Celestions and speakers of similar design are notorious for this. If that's what you're using, thats the first thing I'd suspect. If you can plug into an EV 12L , Emi Delta 12 or C Rex and it does this, it's the amp not the speaker.
     
  14. foo_3001

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    Well in the clip there's two amps, the first and last are a Bassman and the middle is a 65 Ventura, same effect. The last is even a different guitar. Tried out and recorded a different cab to be sure, no cry.

    This bugs me so much, that Vintage30 sounded really good, too bad it only lasted a few months of active playing for me.. Bought it used, guess it has been pummeled quite a bit in the past..
     
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    Thanks for posting this!
     
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    V30's are notorious for cone cry. I've experienced it as well
     
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    I've had this before with all sorts of Celestions but this is by far the worst, this is unusable for me. Too bad, it was a good one.
     
  18. J M Fahey

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    The problem is that guitar speaker cones, on purpose, use paper as thin as possible.
    This gives them high efficiency (the voice coil does not have to push that much deadweight), more bite (same HP motor gives you far more acceleration in a light dragster than in a far heavier truck) but it's much less rigid and it's easier it bends and flexes in a bad way, where you do not want it, and resonating at some odd, unmusical harmonic.

    Nothing you can really do about it, I guess.

    Of course none leaves the Factory crying, but along the way it may "flex bad" and from there on, you are doomed, paper is notorious for folding away at the exact same point again if overfolded once.

    Big heavy PA type speakers (or guitar speakers built that way) avoid it by using thicker cones, such as:

    It's easy to test for cone cry by slowly sweeping an audio oscillator through the guitar frequencies range.
     
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    If there´s no oscillator available I´ve found the best test with a guitar is

    - amp a bit louder than you´d usually get
    - a slight OD / boost pedal on, guitar on neck PU
    - play unison bends around the 12th fret, the E note is usually the one that cries
    - also try out double stop bends around 12th fret, also around the 7th fret on the B & G - strings, I´ve found that´s the other spot that goes bad the most often.
     
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    corn husk bag Silver Supporting Member

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    Great thread! Thank you.

    Kind Regards,
    Steve
     

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