For Two Rock Folks: Final Thoughts before committing to SS--versus Vibroverb

steveokla

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So, the TR folks have been extremely patient in answering my questions about the TR SS I'm considering--mostly about the combo/head-cab decision. I've never played through any TR, as there just aren't any around my immediate area. The matter was less pressing earlier on as no one had them in stock, but some are now available a Humbucker. Since I'm basing everything I know about these amps on stuff on line (reviews, discussion, endless video clips, there's the angst associated with the unknown. Even the SS isn't cheap, so it's a pretty hefty decision for me.

From videos, one can get a pretty good idea of the tone to expect from these amps. But feel is just as important. I've labored to come up with a question that expresses the feel and touch I favor to see if TR owners believe the SS is in that vein, so here it is: I've owned lots of vintage amps, mostly Fenders, my favorites to this day. I've always held onto two over the years: a '64 Super Reverb with original Jensens and a '64 VV with a factory D130f. I concede it's highly idiosyncratic, subjective, and open to debate, but these two amps kind of represent two ends of the BF spectrum for me in some important ways. To be specific, the SR is much more scooped, the highs somewhat thinner to me, and "spongier" (what most players would likely call sag, I think) with more give in the attack. My VV is throatier, honkier with a vaguely nasal quality slightly reminiscent of the blonde Fenders I've owned. Not that the VV sounds like a blonde--just some sort of slight nod to that quality. The mids are certainly more pronounced and the highs sound fatter to me. Significantly, the VV is faster--more immediate, "right now" blunt attack. Consequently, it's less forgiving than my SR, but, frankly, I prefer that. Doubtless, some of that is attributable to the JBL, but I owner another VV with the original CTS for years, and even with that speaker it was faster than the SR.

Bottom line, I prefer the attributes of the VV described above. Lots of players talk about the CR and SS as a "SR on steroids" or the like. Truth is, heretical thought it may be, since I prefer the VV for the reasons stated, if the SS feels more like the SR, it wouldn't appeal to me as much. So, the question: if I prefer the fatter tone, and, perhaps most important, quick feel of the VV to the SR, am I going to like the SS? Thanks in advance, Steveokla
 

gulliver

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I used to have '64 Vibroverb and currently have a Two Rock Sensor. Two very different amps, with the Two Rock being much more refined, as the biggest difference. Honestly, my Redplate Blackloop is what I consider my alternative amp to the Vibroverb. It can scratch that itch. The Two Rock is huge sounding and not a Fender tone. Will you like it? You're going to have to tell us. I like mine much more than I did the vintage Vibroverb.
 

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The Two Rock doesn’t sound like a Fender at all IMO. Yes, it’s a clean amp but the cleans are much fatter with more mid content. Not a scooped tone at all (even in the blackface setting) The Studio Sig combo is one of my favorite Two Rocks to date. Gives me a very punchy cleans and sounds absolutely awesome with every drive and fuzz pedal I’ve tried. The other thing I really appreciate about the combo is the compact size. I gig about 3-4 times a month (in Vegas). Many of the gigs are in casinos and can be a challenge loading in and out. The amp is easy to move. I can take my trusty Tele, a small board and this amp and can cover pretty much any genre of music. Great amp!
 

steveokla

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Thanks to you guys for your counsel and observations. To get really specific, though, it's about the attack of TR's, I guess I'm trying to figure out. Again, I prefer my VV to the SR because the VV is faster, precious little sag. SR is spongier--more sag. I prefer blunt, quick attack of the VV to the softer attack and sag of the SR. Was wondering where the touch/attack of the TR (including the SS, which is the only one I'm actually considering) would be more like the VV or SR. thanks again!
 

Blackwidow675

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I wouldn't worry about the attack. The "gain structure" switch in the SS significantly affects attack. If you like a faster attack, you'll probably like the middle (Schofield) or up (Two Rock) positions better than the down (Blackface) position. I can't imagine either of your Fenders being more immediate than the Schofield position, which is the "fast" and bold end of the 3 positions. But frankly, they're all really good, and it's a big part of what makes the SS so flexible.

The only other thing I can add is that the speaker setup will be a pretty noticeable variable. That being said, the SS is a fantastic amp, and although I've not tried it through the 1x12 external cab, I've run mine through my Classic Reverb Sig combo cab and a separate Dr. Z-sized 1x12 cab. It's gonna sound great through that 1x12... just probably pretty different from that 1x15 VV or the 4x10 SR.

I've been through a bunch of vintage Fenders in my time (early 70s Super Reverb, 67 Bassman, 67 Deluxe Reverb, 65 Bandmaster, 67 Vibro Champ, and a Headstrong Lil King ... close enough to a Princeton), and I prefer both my SS and my ClRS to the Fenders, which were all great in their own right. Hope this helps.
 

steveokla

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I wouldn't worry about the attack. The "gain structure" switch in the SS significantly affects attack. If you like a faster attack, you'll probably like the middle (Schofield) or up (Two Rock) positions better than the down (Blackface) position. I can't imagine either of your Fenders being more immediate than the Schofield position, which is the "fast" and bold end of the 3 positions. But frankly, they're all really good, and it's a big part of what makes the SS so flexible.

The only other thing I can add is that the speaker setup will be a pretty noticeable variable. That being said, the SS is a fantastic amp, and although I've not tried it through the 1x12 external cab, I've run mine through my Classic Reverb Sig combo cab and a separate Dr. Z-sized 1x12 cab. It's gonna sound great through that 1x12... just probably pretty different from that 1x15 VV or the 4x10 SR.

I've been through a bunch of vintage Fenders in my time (early 70s Super Reverb, 67 Bassman, 67 Deluxe Reverb, 65 Bandmaster, 67 Vibro Champ, and a Headstrong Lil King ... close enough to a Princeton), and I prefer both my SS and my ClRS to the Fenders, which were all great in their own right. Hope this helps.
It helps immensely. I concede I’m in that minority that really favors 15’s. Actually, that’s not quite accurate-I favor the D130 above all else. Everything I’ve read about the TR 1x12 has been glowing, and I’m really looking forward to that. I still have one really nice D130 that’s not in anything. At some point, I’ll have someone build a cab for it to use with the SS. Might add another dimension and interesting flavor to switch off to from time to time.
Curious: as you’ve got both the CRS and SS and the opportunity to compare them, would really appreciate your sharing your impressions. The consensus seems to be the SS is very nearly a junior CRS-is that your experience?
Remains only to choose cosmetics. The silver face with a checkered grill-looks Marshally to me-is in. Kinda neat looking, but more inclined ti the classic black grill with the silver face. Those haven’t arrived yet, but should soon. Many thanks for your input.
 

gulliver

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I feel the cascading gain feature on my Sensor allows for some control of sag. The left side cranked is more saggy and Fendery, the right side is more fast and Marshally. They did a great job on this, way better than the single sweet spot I had on my Prosonic.
 

Blackwidow675

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Curious: as you’ve got both the CRS and SS and the opportunity to compare them, would really appreciate your sharing your impressions. The consensus seems to be the SS is very nearly a junior CRS-is that your experience?
Yes; definitely. There's a lot of similarity between the two. I was in a similar boat to you when I purchased my SS a few years ago... wondering whether I'd really like it enough, given that I was not in a position to be able to test. The online demos were accurate, and the feel and controllability of the amp are really top notch.
 

steveokla

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Yes; definitely. There's a lot of similarity between the two. I was in a similar boat to you when I purchased my SS a few years ago... wondering whether I'd really like it enough, given that I was not in a position to be able to test. The online demos were accurate, and the feel and controllability of the amp are really top notch.
That’s extremely helpful, reassuring and appreciated, to be sure.
 

steveokla

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Thanks to all for the counsel--it was essential to my reaching a decision.
I'll be buying from Humbucker Music. A few are now in stock. Cosmetics count, too, and I'd planned on the standard black grill and silver face, slated to arrive in April. Now, it at their site, it just says they're "on order". I must say, though, that the silver/gray checkered grill on those already in stock has its appeal. I don't know what peoples' preferences are on such things--just don't want anything too eccentric on the chance I might want to sell later for some reason.

On a more important note, I still do a good bit of Hendrix (getting to play out again some). Over the years, I've been able to dial in my VV or SR to a decent approximation of that tone. Was wondering if those of you TR owners who do some Hendrix have experimented with dialing in his tone. If so, was hoping you might share which of the three gain structures you find works best, EQ settings, etc.
 

gulliver

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Thanks to all for the counsel--it was essential to my reaching a decision.
I'll be buying from Humbucker Music. A few are now in stock. Cosmetics count, too, and I'd planned on the standard black grill and silver face, slated to arrive in April. Now, it at their site, it just says they're "on order". I must say, though, that the silver/gray checkered grill on those already in stock has its appeal. I don't know what peoples' preferences are on such things--just don't want anything too eccentric on the chance I might want to sell later for some reason.

On a more important note, I still do a good bit of Hendrix (getting to play out again some). Over the years, I've been able to dial in my VV or SR to a decent approximation of that tone. Was wondering if those of you TR owners who do some Hendrix have experimented with dialing in his tone. If so, was hoping you might share which of the three gain structures you find works best, EQ settings, etc.

They are such pure amps, I'd simply do clean with a dirt box. They do sound great with fuzz; mild or heavy.
 

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Is this what you're talking about? Maybe consider not using product acronyms without ever writing out WTF you're talking about. Interesting thread, once I used my Flash Gordon Decoder Ring to translate it into general english. It's not only deep insiders who are interested in TGP posts. Thanks. Hope you enjoy your amp, though I think you could hardly go wrong with it to begin with and are over-conceptualizing sound, response, etc.
 




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