What is it specifically you claim I am trying to convince you or anyone else of? What I need more proof of is that all of the military personnel that have come forward about reasonably up close sightings they've had of disc shaped craft, dating back to the 40's, are all wrong. Meaning every one of them is a mistaken sighting, disinfo, lying for attention, etc. And I mean proof and real proof that every single one of them is wrong ... thus far, I haven't seen it. As such, the evidence is quite a bit higher that some of them made very accurate observations, are telling the truth and are describing EXACTLY what they saw. The evidence to prove THEM ALL wrong is weak. I'm certainly not claiming this is proof of ET's (which I don't believe in anyway).