Fractal vs. Helix: The comparison series (Made by yours truly!)

Discussion in 'Digital & Modeling Gear' started by Mitch Baker, Oct 21, 2016.

  1. yeatzee

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    What setup do you (or did you) use with your Helix to use the real guitar cabs (which one(s) as well)?
     
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    Good vid man. Made me finally subscribe! LOL!
     
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  4. Drop the sun

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    Helix FW 2.21 vs AX8 FW Q8

    Is it a time for a new comparison yet? People are really liking the Helix new FW and say, that it has improved the modeling a lot. In the mean while the Fractal Audio has this Q8 Firmware going on, that sounds absolutely awesome.

    Would be great to hear the differences with same IRs on both units... :)
     
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  5. Marco Fanton

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    The Helix FW 2.21 doesn't improve the quality of the amps and cabs, there are only some new amps (i.e. Badonk) and some new effects (plastic Chorus, Delay swell etc)
    I own Helix since august 2016 and the tone has the same quality, I own AX8 since march, with new 8.00 Fractal improves a lot the quality of the amps and cabs.
     
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  6. Frank Ritchotte

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    We make improvements and optimizations all the time. Some bigger than others but we do not specially call them out...
     
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  7. Drop the sun

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    So it is only a placebo effect with Helix, that people are hearing? If it is so, maybe then there is no need for the comparison.
     
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    Thanks Mitch, am very appreciative of this thread and your efforts to present these two machines with impartiality. Based on your presented evidence the two sound very similar to my ears, with the differences being subtle and subject to perception. I should add both sound pretty good particularly for certain applications [quick and effective pathway to multiple guitar sounds in a commercial studio setting where time is critical]. I already have the HELIX but will now add the Fractal to my studio kit. Thanks again!
     
  9. electricfactory

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    Is the 2.21 FW update stable, problem free ?

     
  10. Bass in Zurich

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    Only line 6 could tell you. Unless you reamp a dry track through the same preset you won't know. But for me 2.21 feels a bit better. I didn't spend much time with 2.2 so the change could be there.

    To be honest the only way you can really compare these two units is by owning both and dialling in the tones you like. Like amps some will prefer one over the other.

    Both killer units imo.
     
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  11. jageya

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    so why own both then?
     
  12. Marco Fanton

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    I started with Helix last year and I do a lot with him, many users use my patches :)
    last month I decided to try Fractal AX8 to expand my knowledge :)
     
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  13. Guitar1969

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    I thought I heard Frank mention we were going to see a new bigger Helix update in June to address the firmware update process and other things (global settings backup?).

    Maybe wait till then.

    I do hope Line 6 improves the Reverbs for more Strymon/Eventide quality type stuff, as I just got my Helix and like it, but getting ready to put my old Zoom MS-70CDR and/or Boss RV-6 Reverb in the loop to overcome its shortcomings. I was getting ready to sell them but decided I am gonna keep it longer.

    Was reading up on some of the old posts on the reverbs and they were just ported from the M-series and HD series with no real improvements, so it is long overdue.

    This is one area Fractual slays the Helix, but Line 6 can catch up.
     
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  14. gtr37

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    I think no need to compare
    It always ends up the same way both sides claim theirs is better
    I prefer we just keep posting clips so more fun that way
    Than the predictable endless
    Comments
     
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  15. Marco Fanton

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    totally agree!!!
    I own both units, I do videos with both units, I am free of any influence! people can evaluate himself ;)
     
  16. jageya

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    but you must prefer 1 i would think overall....
     

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