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Fuchs ODS 50 ANOS Tubes Demo

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by Carl_Tone, Oct 12, 2018.

  1. Carl_Tone

    Carl_Tone Member

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    RCA 7025 V1, MULLARD f92 long plate v2, RCA short plate grey in V3, GT Balanced Chinese in PI, SYLVANIA STR-415's in 50w power.

     
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    :aokVery nice!
     
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    Alister Supporting Member

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    I'll second that.
     
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    Very nice, care to share your control and switch settings?
     
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    But how different from the same amp with new production tubes?
     
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    sounds great! Would have been interesting to hear a before and after clip
     
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    This clip is actually from 5 years ago when I first installed the tubes. So can't remember settings. They are still going strong. If there is interest I can dig up some old clips from when I ran new production tubes. Suffice it to say that they sounded less clear, less top end detail, and less refined. I hear that the new JJs have gotten really good though. Anyway hear is a more recent clip that I could give you amp settings for when I have more time.
     
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    I think they ship with TAD's.
     
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    Here is what they sound like on edge of feedback
     
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    It all sounds great Carl,but I like the sound in this clip.
    It sounds warmer to me.
    That is just my sound preference.
     
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    all 3 sound good to my ears, but I don't claim to be a fusion tone expert.
    superb playing, as always ! :aok

    care to explain the functionality of V2 & V3 in the Fuchs, please ?
    I'm only familiar with the triple tube ODS circuits,

    cheers,
    Rhino
     
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    Thanks, that one is a 335, other 2 are valley arts tele. Lot's of different tones occur with minor dial differences, mic placement, etc...
     
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    V2 is OD, V3 is Reverb, then there is a phase inverter.
     
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    thanks, all clear ! :aok
    the diff is the reverb tube.

    did you ever try 3x Telefunkens (long smooth plates) ?
    atm I dig them a lot, for a cleanish bluesy vibe (e.g. Steely Dan's Gaucho album), but I might go back to an i63 in V2, still undecided.
    amp's a regular Ceriatone OTS w. local NFB mod, iirc you had one like that too in the past.

    cheers,
    Rhino

    edit : fully agreed about those Sylvanias, my 2nd choice would be TAD short bottles.
     
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    Sorry never tried those Telefunkens but there's so many types of tubes out there just like places to live, you find what you like and settle there, there's no right or wrong, just different. Agree on the power tubes and plan B power tubes. Also, sorry I've only ever had 1 D style amp, Fuchs ODS 50, no history with the Ceriatone. I will say that I liked the RCA 7025 / Mullard F92 combo so much that I bought backups of each. There are lots of posts on here by Timbrewolf, explaining what most of the common types of preamp tubes sound like. I know he really likes the old Ken Rads, among many others. I already have too many tubes though. :D
     
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    hello Greg / Carl,
    sorry about the confusion, no clue how that came about - no harm meant ! :dunno
    yes, the entire tube thing is a geeky, non-essential obsession, but apparently there are differences to be heard.
    Folks like Robben Ford or Bonamassa sound incredible with lowly JJs though, it's all relative.

    I'm in EU, so supply of '50s or '60s US tubes is short, F92s as well.
    the only two I have from your list are the RCA short grey plate (which merely handles your reverb) and the GT (where I personally like a Telefunken better for PI, but ymmv).
    I took note of your lineup though for further reference, you never know what might come your way tomorrow ...

    thanks for sharing your experience and clips, these threads are personal highlights here @ TGP. :aok
    Rhino

    and @Timbre Wolf - sure, what can you say ?
    incredible knowledge, and always there to help ...
     
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    Thanks guys - I'm glad there is a place for my geeky, non-essential tube obsessions :rotflmao They're just too much fun to keep all to myself.

    Carl_Tone - I also like using long-plate Philips ECC83 for an overdrive position tube (Valvo, Mullard, Radiotechnique, Amperex/Miniwatt). If you ever get the chance to try one, I think you may enjoy Valvo (Hamburg Philips) long-plate ECC83 in your V2. Perhaps just a little more than those Blackburn Mullards. I've been delighted with the long-plate Mullards in a phase-inverter position; especially if the tube is too microphonic for using earlier in the signal chain. PI tube choice carries its own influence to the overall sound.

    :beer
     
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    rotfl, you know how that was meant ! :p

    guess my Vox will have to donate one of its Hamburg Valvo long-plate ECC83 (with the 30° getter) for a few tests.
    but it will eventually go back, time to find another one or two, I'm afraid.

    cheers,
    Rhino
     
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    That Vox is the perfect place for one of those '50s long-plate mC(1/2/P) Valvos. I had one in V2 of my AC30C1, with Mullard f92 in V1 and PI positions. But if I had dozens of long-plate Valvos, I could live with them in a lot of my amps, in several slots.

    - T
     
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    Thanks for the tips! Appreciate it! Yes I could tell the the phase inverter was critical. My whole house of cards was failing, until I got one that worked. Pretty much like a cornerstone, in my amp anyway!
     
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