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Fuchs Train/Lucky 7/ Blackjack 21

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by big hair, Sep 8, 2005.

  1. big hair

    big hair Member

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    I have exhausted the clips on the website. The Train sounds like an ideal amp for solos - superb tone. The Lucky 7 has a nice vibe to it that I like too, but no clips of the Blackjack 21?

    Are there more clips on the net of these 3 amps - I could do with more to listen to :cool:
     
  2. KenSea

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    I played this amp here in Seattle and frankly it didnt do it for me. Now the ODS30 is a fine amp!
     
  3. big hair

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    yeah?? What would you say were the main tonal differences between the ODS30 & L7?
     
  4. Shane S

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    I agree with Ken. We probably played the same amp at American Music and I was left completely underwelmed. The ODS30 is one bad mother.
     
  5. big hair

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    out of the L7 and the train, I prefer the Train - wonder where the blackjack fits in?
     
  6. tonefreak

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    L 7 and ODS family are complete different ciruits and not a fair comparison. L7, Black Jack 21 and Train all have a Trainwreck heritage. ODS... well... you know.

    It's like comparing a Bad Cat to a Victoria... not an apples to apples comparison.

    I really liked the L 7 in it's ability to coax that Train Wreck tone and vibe. If you made the mistake that the L7 was going to sound like the ODS, then you were sure to be disappointed, and it's not the amps fault.

    For you Marshall lovers out there, the L7, Black Jack 21, and Train 45 are a must try.
     
  7. big mike

    big mike Moderator - EL34 Emeritas Staff Member

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    I played a BJ21 at Gelb in Redwood City last weekend. Freakin KILLER amp. I played it with a MIM Fender Esquire but I loved it. Touch responsive, phat tone, great grind. If I didn't have a marshall and Z28, it probably would've went home with me.

    Fantastic amp.
     
  8. Fuchsaudio

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    It's an interesting tonal evolution through the three models. The L-7 is a great little amp, but it is still a little amp no matter how you slice it, 7 watts goes just so far. The 21 is alot like the L-7 circuitwise, but since the output stage is push pull (no feedback, the L-7 is single ended with a small amount of feedback), it has a more wreckish grind, attitude and vibe. The Train-45 is pretty much the top of the heap: the most clean headroom, then grinding girth all the way up. It just gets progressively more "in your face" as the power levels go up.

    It's been said before: these are not meant to be "baby ODS" amps.

    Boomer had an L-7 and loved it, but when he got the Train home, it was all over....;)
     
  9. big mike

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    Yeah, I played an ODS right after it which was also fantastic, but totally different deal all together.

    Great Job Andy.
     
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    Anybody play the 21?
     
  11. big mike

    big mike Moderator - EL34 Emeritas Staff Member

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    Read my first post. 3 above yours.
     
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    Gotcha! How loud compared to the Z28?
     
  13. big mike

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    Seemed pretty comparable. Probably a bit less loud. Tough call. Unfamiliar guitar, speaker and surroudings. I'd love to get some more time on one. I REALLY dug it.
     
  14. KenSea

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    Shane I am sure we did try the same amp, yes I really enjoyed the ODS. :p
     
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    I will put my 2 cents worth on the Lucky 7! I have had in the
    last 4 years a Carr Hammerhead, Holland Lil Jimi, Dr.Z Mazerati
    and most recently a Z28! All of these amps delivered great
    tones that gave each their own distinguished signature tone!

    All of these amps had noticeably more clean headroom which
    is expected considering their power output!But I can without
    hesitation say that the "LUCKY 7" delivers in spades more of
    the great overtones from a Strat's out of phase 2 and 4
    pickup positions with much greater note-to-note definition
    and pick attack than any of the above mentioned amps!

    And last but not least the great medium crunchy tones that
    are achieved purely from the amp with the gain kicked beyond 2 o'clock makes this little 7 watter a mighty cool amp that really
    gives a "LOTTA BANG FOR THE BUCK"!!

    Kudos to Andy on adding the "L7",BJ21 and the Train 45 to
    the Fuchs amp line!!

    Mac :dude
     
  17. big hair

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    I am a marshall lover, but recently decided to clear out my nest and opt for something slightly different.

    I am keeping one plexi halfstack, but selling everything else. The Train seems like a logical step to me.

    I'm toying with the idea of something like a VH4, Herbert or XTC, but I quite like the idea of an amp similar to a marshall but with its own thing going on.

    In terms of gain, how does a Train compare to a cranked plexi?? Does it respond well to an OD pedal?
     
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    Thanks Mac. The care package is on the way ! I know I owe you a phone call, but I've been silly-busy the last few weeks. We'll talk soon, I'm sure.
     
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    Dammit I hate this forum. (Not really, just frustrated) I had my heart set on a Lucky 7 and THD Univalve for my studio needs. I figured the Lucky 7 would cover the Marshall territory and the THD would cover the rest. Now, I'm not sure. I plan on using both amps with a Randall ISO cab with a V30. Effects will be a MXR Phase 90 (Script), Chicago Iron Octavian and Parachute, Xotic BB and RC, Boss Metal Zone and a Analogman Ross Compressor Clone. I know how the Univalve responds to pedals, but what about the Lucky 7? Can it handle a extreme pedal like the Metal Zone? What about drop or de-tuned guitars?

    Please, let a brotha know!!!

    Thanks,

    IPH
     
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