This thread got de-railed with cross-purposes of a Fuchs affiliated individual promoting the clips vs. consumer interest in discussing the product in the Forum. Here is a re-post of where the discussion resumed: *************************** I'd like to comment on the clips, the Train45, and Fuchs amps in general. There has been so much discussion, actually almost endless discussion about the Fuchs ODS vs. 'real' Dumbles vs other Dumble inspired amps. Now I see the same thing happening with the Train45 vs vs the 'real' Wrecks vs the other Wreck clones and Wreck-inspired designs. I followed the evolution of the Fuchs ODS amp design from when I first became aware of it back around the time I met Andy at the last PRS Forum event through the latest (and I hope the final ) evolution of the SLX. My postion regarding the Fuchs vs. a 'real' Dumble has always been consistent. 1. I cant afford a Dumble. 2. Dumbles are notoriously inconsistent from amp to amp. What is a 'good Dumble'? 3. Since Dumbles are so rare and expensive, if a builder can build a Dumble-inspired amp that *is* consistent from a production basis, and it is affordable, and meets my expectations, I would be interested in owning it- from a practical standpoint- cost and service- and from an aesthetic standpoint- how good does an amp have to be to be good enough? I recently purchased a Fuchs SLX50 combo because, for me- it filled all of the above requirements while also managing to beat out the competition in terms of bang-for-the-buck. Now history seems to be repeating itself with the Train45. Apparently it has a Trainwreck 'inspired' circuit, and is not trying to be a clone of any particular 'Wreck. So now we have the same criteria again. I'll cut and paste and substitute some names. Here we go: 1. I cant afford a 'Wreck. 2. 'Wrecks are famously individual from amp to amp. What is a 'good 'Wreck'? 3. Since 'Wrecks are so rare and expensive, if a builder can build a 'Wreck-inspired amp that *is* consistent from a production basis, and it is affordable, and meets my expectations, I would be interested in owning it- from a practical standpoint- cost and service- and from an aesthetic standpoint- how good does an amp have to be to be good enough? I would consider purchasing a Train45 because, for me- it seems to fill all of the above requirements while also managing to beat out the competition in terms of bang-for-the-buck. From a marketing standpoint, Andys biggest cross to bear has been the positives and minus' of trying to build amps that capture the essence of a particular famous amp builders sonic signature while also building amps that are consistent, roadworthy, affordable, and serviceable. I have played through some excellent real TrainWrecks. I found them to be somewhat over the top and uncontrollable for my style of playing. Not a useful amp for what I do. Especially not when they have to cost $20k. I missed my chance to own one for $1200. My loss. I've heard and played the Komet too, Several times. Same comment as above except for the cost. Not a knock on the Komet. Didn't work for me. I did get to play the Train45. Andy could have called it the Rockslide45 or the Fuchs Beetlebop for all I care. Its a cool amp. It has a good tonal signature. Its *very* touch responsive from the guitar. A different amp from anything else I've played, including other 'Wrecks. To me it is more user-friendly. So I dont know if the Train45 moniker is actually a good or bad thing for either Andy OR the 'Wreck/Komet afficianados. That remains to be seen, but I see the same old tired BS starting all over again. And to repeat my earlier statements on another thread- I hate clips, even very good ones. I don't see how any amp can be judged once the sound has been squished, mp3'd, broadbanded, and computer-speakered. Yuk. Play the thing. Crank it, Feel it. Then you know if you like it. Clips suck. All of them. Even good ones. A clip is NOT an amp. Its not even a studio CD. Its a clip. Yuk.