Fulltone - Is It Best To Wait?

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It seems many threads about Fulltone overdrives praise the latest versions as big improvements. Makes me want to wait on any new pedal he brings out. Even the latest TTE is supposed be better that the early ones. What's up with that? Like so many software programs I use (Protools,Altiverb, BFD, etc.) they release it then gradually fix it and when it finally works, they bring out a new version!
 

starfish

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This phenomena doesn't seem to be exclusive to Fulltone. FWIW, the early silver and orange Fulldrives sound the best IMO. Bells and whistles get added, but sometimes there's nothing like an earlier version. There are so many examples of this with guitar gear. :)

I say if you like the pedal after hearing or trying, get it.
 

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The concept of revisions is part marketing and part research and developement. Pedal makers seem to be tweakers by nature and I would be disappointed if they didn't constantly build on current designs.

I have the OCD, originally v1, and modded to a v3. I like the sounds of both versions; for me, one wasn't necssarily better than the other. In the case of the different versions of the Fulldrive, I've read plenty of opinions supporting each version equally.

So, I think the subjective nature of sound mixed with band wagon mentality is very much responsible for the trend of "the latest versions as big improvements."

Let your ears be the decision maker when it comes to which pedal is "better". Ultimately, its got to be the pedal in front of you that sounds best. So good luck on your quest; its a hell of a great time!
 

Curly

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there was a lot of talk about the different versions of the OCD, but so what? I don't mind at all someone improving their product, and the phrase "new and improved" shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who's seen a detergent or car ad in the last 20 years.
 

popsongsmith

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I'm not buying it. There are plenty of pedals out there--plenty of gear in general, for that matter--that sounds fantastic across the board right from the get-go. Maybe I've been unlucky and gotten my hands on some of the "weak" versions of Fulltone's gear, but I've dumped every pedal I've owned by them within days, because they sounded sterile, stiff and completely un-musical.

On the other hand, I've owned several different versions of the same Barber pedal, and they all sounded phenomenal.

I guess different strokes...
 

gregory49

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It seems many threads about Fulltone overdrives praise the latest versions as big improvements. Makes me want to wait on any new pedal he brings out. Even the latest TTE is supposed be better that the early ones. What's up with that? Like so many software programs I use (Protools,Altiverb, BFD, etc.) they release it then gradually fix it and when it finally works, they bring out a new version!

welcome to technology my friend. Its the way the world works. You ever notice when you buy a new TV or Computer ... a year later there's something twice as good! Its the way the world works :crazy

and thank god for it that it does work that way, maybe they'll finally get a toaster that will make toast and cure cancer.
 

Brien

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I'm not buying it. There are plenty of pedals out there--plenty of gear in general, for that matter--that sounds fantastic across the board right from the get-go. Maybe I've been unlucky and gotten my hands on some of the "weak" versions of Fulltone's gear, but I've dumped every pedal I've owned by them within days, because they sounded sterile, stiff and completely un-musical.

On the other hand, I've owned several different versions of the same Barber pedal, and they all sounded phenomenal.

I guess different strokes...
I love my original Barber Burn Unit as well.
 

WailinGuy

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This phenomena doesn't seem to be exclusive to Fulltone.
Exactly!!

Although I still may occasionally hop on board the waiting list as soon as something new is announced (e.g., OCD v1), I'm now more likely to wait a while and let the kinks get ironed out of a new product before ordering it. Being one of the first on the block to own the latest sensation does have its drawbacks. It's like the old piece of advice about buying a new car: always wait until the 2nd year before purchasing a model that was just introduced, or risk owning a lemon.

Example: I'm now glad I didn't order an Ethos as soon as Robbie announced it here at TGP. Yes, I'm still waiting for mine (should be ready in a week or so), but it will have the TLE mod, which I know I want. Sure, I could have gotten an earlier one and then sent it back for modification, but I like the idea that maybe some other improvements have been made that don't necessarily affect the tone, but maybe improve reliability. It's common for electronic products to undergo slight changes in construction or brand/type of some of the components inside, as the designer discovers minor or potential issues.

I have to wonder how many other pedal makers implement small improvements in their products over time and just don't bother to say anything, because the changes these make to the tone are subtle.

In other words, I don't mind remaining at a comfortable distance behind the bleeding edge.
 

popsongsmith

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I'm now more likely to wait a while and let the kinks get ironed out of a new product before ordering it. Being one of the first on the block to own the latest sensation does have its drawbacks. It's like the old piece of advice about buying a new car: always wait until the 2nd year before purchasing a model that was just introduced, or risk owning a lemon.
I'm not buying the car analogy either. A modern car is a staggeringly complex machine, with computer controlled systems, thousands of moving parts, and considerable amounts of friction and inertia to contend with. A distortion pedal, on the other hand, is a simple electronic device that is almost always based on one of two or three classic circuits. Once you plug it in and hear it, that's it. That's how it sounds. No need to wait to see if the engineering is sound. Either it sounds good or it doesn't.
 

JZG

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The concept of revisions is part marketing and part research and developement. Pedal makers seem to be tweakers by nature and I would be disappointed if they didn't constantly build on current designs.
I think a lot of this is done to generate sales. In the case of the OCD, those that bought the first version will want to dump their pedal for the newest version, or those that didn't like version 1 and sold it, may be inclined to try version 2. If I'm not mistaken, Mr. Fuller even plays on this with his magazine ads. Something to the effect of "Worth trying again."

Whether you should wait or not is up to you. Personally, I wouldn't lie in bed awake at night wondering if I should wait for "V2." More than likely V1 is plenty good enough.
 

starfish

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I'm not buying the car analogy either. A modern car is a staggeringly complex machine, with computer controlled systems, thousands of moving parts, and considerable amounts of friction and inertia to contend with. A distortion pedal, on the other hand, is a simple electronic device that is almost always based on one of two or three classic circuits. Once you plug it in and hear it, that's it. That's how it sounds. No need to wait to see if the engineering is sound. Either it sounds good or it doesn't.
Correct with the important qualifier - everyone has different preferences. There are many here, myself included, who own Burst Eternitys, multiple BJF, Crowther, Timmy/Tim, etc., and some of us like some of the Fulltone stuff too. Whether you "buy it" or not doesn't mean the gear is flawed or un-musical. It's just your subjective opinion which some others may share, and some others may not. I'm not taking a dig at you personally. I have my own subjective opinions on certain gear too. When all is said and done, people prefer different things based on their rigs, ears, and numerous related minutiae. But sweeping generalizations don't apply to how everyone perceives Fulltone gear.
 

somedude

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I'm not buying the car analogy either. A modern car is a staggeringly complex machine, with computer controlled systems, thousands of moving parts, and considerable amounts of friction and inertia to contend with. A distortion pedal, on the other hand, is a simple electronic device that is almost always based on one of two or three classic circuits. Once you plug it in and hear it, that's it. That's how it sounds. No need to wait to see if the engineering is sound. Either it sounds good or it doesn't.
If that were the case we'd all be using TS-9s instead of the 'improved' versions marketed by many boutique builders.

The simple fact that you're participating in this forum underscores the hypocrisy of your statement.

If others can build a better Tubescreamer, Fuller can build a better OCD.
 

WailinGuy

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I wasn't trying to make an analogy between pedals and cars. Just pointing out the philosophy (which you can choose to subscribe to - or not) of waiting a while for things to settle out when purchasing a very recently introduced product. Sometimes it's hard for a manufacturer (of pedals, cars, corkscrews, or whatever) to know if they've really "nailed it" until the item in question has been out in the marketplace for at least a little while and some real-world feedback has been received. And beta testing (we who work in the software world especially know this) often doesn't uncover all the issues.

I wish everyone would chill out!
 

Curly

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I'm not buying it. There are plenty of pedals out there--plenty of gear in general, for that matter--that sounds fantastic across the board right from the get-go. Maybe I've been unlucky and gotten my hands on some of the "weak" versions of Fulltone's gear, but I've dumped every pedal I've owned by them within days, because they sounded sterile, stiff and completely un-musical.

On the other hand, I've owned several different versions of the same Barber pedal, and they all sounded phenomenal.

I guess different strokes...
a rather ironic example ...

I returned an early Barber Direct Drive because I thought it lacked character.
Of course, that was before Barber came up with a mod board and several other versions ... "low gain, flat eq, etc ..."

ain't nothin' wrong with improving your product ... in fact, I'm thinking about trying one of those other versions.

as you said though, different strokes
 

vegetablejoe

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The latest Fulltone FD2 pedal incorporates the "special" 10th Anniversary MOSFET model's features at a price US$60+ less. So yes, that is already an improvement, imo. Certainly, new prospective FD2 buyers will not even have to look at the Anniversary model for complete features.

Purportedly, the newer pedal has improved gain and clarity (or is it bass?). I am not sure, as I haven't tried it. That would be a bonus.
 

popsongsmith

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a rather ironic example ...

I returned an early Barber Direct Drive because I thought it lacked character.
Of course, that was before Barber came up with a mod board and several other versions ... "low gain, flat eq, etc ..."

ain't nothin' wrong with improving your product ... in fact, I'm thinking about trying one of those other versions.

as you said though, different strokes
ok, ok. maybe I exaggerated. But my understanding is that the different versions of the Barber stuff were introduced in order to provide various "flavors" of the same pedal. In other words, the original is still available, along with a few variations. not so in the case of the OCD. the original two or three versions were lame, so they attempted to "fix" the problem. imho, these are two completely different phenonmena.

and sure, there are a multitude of "improved" versions of the ts-808, which incorporate premium components, wider range of tones, etc. but again, this is not the same thing as saying--in effect--"oops! sorry that expensive, over-hyped pedal sucked on the first two tries...I really NAILED it on the third try."

give me a frickin' break.
 

radcliff

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i tried a V2 OCD and i really like it's tone....i dunno what they could do to make a V3 sound better, the V2 nails it

i think the Fulldrives have only improved with time and changes

i have had other Fulltone pedals, but I prefer other builders.... i think analogman makes a better chorus and lovepedal makes a better fuzz
 




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