Funk chord question

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  1. jay42

    jay42 Member

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    Let's say the key is major C and you're playing what is essentially a Cm7 against a major baseline. The notes are the high 4 strings all on the 8th fret. It seems like a substitution. What is the chord really?
     
  2. MartinPiana

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    Basic Cm7 -- not a sub, just no C in the bass in this voicing.
    Bb Eb G C
     
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    You are playing a cm7 chord - just without the root on the 8th fret of the 6th string. I use that chord shape a lot - the A string is muted with your thumb.

    I love me some funk!! :cool:
     
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    i'm not fully understanding the question, but:

    the chord is still a Cm7. it wouldn't be a substitution per se....it's just a Cm7.

    when you say "major bass line" are you talking about R+5TH stuff, or is the bass really landing on the E and not Eb?

    also, you may be in the key of C, but on the IV chord (F). playing X-X-8-8-8-8 would give you an F9sus4(no root) chord. is that what you're seeing?
     
  5. jay42

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    I may be remembering some wrong things about the key. I know I've used it when playing the Chicago version of I'm A Man and actual funk things...which I believe were major...i.e., playing E, not Eb.
     
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    dewey decibel Supporting Member

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    I think you're confused, "I'm a Man" is FOR SURE in a minor key. I'm not sure the key, but if it's C it's Cmin. The turnaround would be Eb | D Db | Cmin...

    Often times you will get a chord with a minor 3rd over a dominant bass line (meaning major 3rd, dominant 7th)- it's implying a 7#9 sound. This is an ingredient to a lot of blues, funk, soul, R+B- basically all black music. Think of the blues scale over a 7th chord- same thing.
     
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    I never learned the bass part to I'm A Man, so that's the story there. The implied 7#9 seems like the answer I was looking for. Thanks!
     
  8. yZe

    yZe Senior Member

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    upper 4 string structure cmi7 @ fret 8 is a Cmi7 in 3rd inversion

    However, the bass harmony has the final say on the overall chord quality

    since the bass line is major, the OP's voicing is really a C7#9 chord w/o the ∆ 3, cuz the bass man's got the ∆3
     
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    Right, the "full chord", if you wanted to play all six strings, would be 878888. But playing just the four top notes, as you're doing, would probably be better in most cases.
     
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    Geoff, I clicked on your Bluesion, VERY COOL !!

    Nice freaking tone man and sweet playing !!!
     

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