Funny Sound in BFSR

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  1. TheAmpNerd

    TheAmpNerd Member

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    I've been tracking this down for the last couple of weeks.

    An intermittant sh*it sound coming from this vintage amp.
    You'd play then after awhile it would get all weak and distorted.

    SO

    After taking my time and undoing all kinds of mods done to the amp
    it still did this...intermittantly.

    AND

    Replacing tubes and finally choke and OT it sounded fine for a bit.


    THEN

    Got to the sh*tty intermittant sound again.
    It sounded like spitting....And I kept thinking
    some sort of short somewhere in the amp.

    FINALLY

    I found it. I took the amp back to the bench when it
    started makeing the spit tone again. I started sticking
    it with one of those STICKs and get what I figured out?

    On the B+ from the standby switch,
    it had been arching to the middle board
    of the amp. The middle board is the board
    that insulate the main eyelet board from the
    chassis.

    When I lifted the eyelet board and pulled the
    middle board out from under the eyelet board,
    the middle board had about a silver dollar sized
    circle of carbon on it. Right where it would cause
    both channels to should like sh*t...underneith
    the final coupling caps and at all the b+ junctions.

    Three other techs had gone through this amp
    and tried to fix it. None did. They had tried
    replacing trannies, wiring, and components.

    I got lucky and happend to start poking the
    eyelet board when it started making noise again.
    It happened over in the PI area of the board,
    so as I tapped it, it started arching.

    A lot of times you have to be patient
    and wait for the problem to crop up again.
     
  2. brad347

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    i commend you. I would've thrown the amp off a third floor balcony LONG before that point came.
     
  3. VacuumVoodoo

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    That's the kind of fault to drive one crazy. Well done:dude
     
  4. mbratch

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    That's an interesting discovery. Maybe time for me to get under the eyelet board on my amp.
     
  5. hasserl

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    Intermittent problems can be very hard to find, and very frustrating. It feels good to figure one out and correct it.
     
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    You deserve your handle.
     
  7. donnyjaguar

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    I live for these types of repairs. The ones the other blokes can't find. :)
     
  8. TheAmpNerd

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    They are only great when you find them.

    Until that time, they are an utter PITA (Pain In the Arsh).


    There was another one earlier in the year. It was a
    1964 or 1965 Princeton Reverb. It had some rather
    unusual former "tech" problems, including:

    One of the resistors in the PI had a cold solder joint,
    screwing up the tone.

    Who ever replaced the output tranny ran the green wire
    right over the speaker jacks ground bus wire...(it arched)

    A replacement cap (thinking it was the .02 right by the
    reverb B+) it's lead was overly shuved into the eyelet,
    thereby shorting it with the reverb B+.
    Another lift the board and see what is going on
    underneith it.

    A replacement three foot power cord was cold soldered.

    And finally, the reverb pot carbon trace was crumbling internally.
    you'd clean it out really well and it would work fine until you took
    the amp out to gig and a new piece would break off again and get
    caught in the wiper.
     

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