Gain: You Can’t Shred Without It!

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  1. ivers

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    I feel like I just recently learned how to play with gain, and my acoustic playing used to be my strength in that regard.
     
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    Cue the education on what Gain is v. Distortion.... even though on most pedals and amps the control that when turned up you get more distortion is labeled "Gain".
     
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    Yeah, but he'd sound better through a Marshall! :banana

    (A joke, of course. That was some tasty stuff!)
     
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    The sequence Al plays from about 1:35-1:55 has left me with my jaw on the floor for at least 35 years now........
     
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    Johnny Winter was very technically proficient and could “ shred” the blues, but he obviously wouldn’t be paramount to this thread as per the OP
    If someone mentioned Vai it Govan, though not “shredders” in the style of Joe Stump, it would still make more sense than mentioning the quick proficient jazz/swing/ country playing
    Holdsworth is not a shredder, but I believe Gain was necessary to his approach
     
  6. Tiny Montgomery

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    And if you turn the knob labeled “volume” up on a NMV amp, you also get more distortion.

    “Volume” doesn’t mean “distortion,” either, though.
     
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    I love arguments that wish to change the word usage of 99% of a given population... word chosen incorrect or not, its set in stone.
     
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  8. Tiny Montgomery

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    Where did you get that percentage?

    It’s a very guitar-centric way of thinking. Do you think sound engineers use the gain trimmers on their boards for distortion?

    Only guitar players think “gain” means “distortion.” The conflation is a popular misconception, but it is, in fact, a misconception.

    No gain=no signal.
     
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    This isn't a dissertation - its simply an anicdotal discussion until people want to get pedantic. And yes I'm talking about the population of guitar players. And there's something wrong with it being guitar-centric? Wow. In general, this is a guitar forum is it not?
     
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  10. Tiny Montgomery

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    It’s an electronic term, not a “guitar” term.

    A lot of people being wrong about something doesn’t change the fact that it’s wrong. It’s not a matter of opinion.

    A gain overload CAUSES distortion. They’re not one and the same.
     
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    I think Marty Friedman had a pretty heavy distortion sound.
     
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    Shredders



    This is a well done series covering a bit about the history of Shredding.


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    now now folks. language is a living thing subject to change and mutates over the course of time. :)
     
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    Yep.
    The first shred album I ever heard.
     
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    Me too and so did everyone else. It's TGP though. I think we also knew this exact thing would happen:

    (Insert the "Oh yeah? Here's an Aboriginal Basket Flute player that shreds with no gain!" comment.)
     
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    2:16 - 2:24

    Trevor Rabin shreds as fast as you can intelligibly go while totally clean:



    ...all single strokes of the pick....yeah:cool:
     
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    Least gain- Shawn Lane towards the end of his life:



    Not sure about the most, but I'm pretty sure it was one of the Shrapnel guys...
     
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    While I loved Jason Becker’s playing on the Shrepnel albums he did, his tone was always weird & thin. Too much distortion/gain and eq’d funky was my guess.
     
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    Agreed.
    There's one particular track playing in my head from the Shrapnel catalogue that embodies "most gain", but I can't think of who it is, and I'm not going through the whole catalogue to find it :D
     

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