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Gear Myths that hurt/help companies

Discussion in 'The Sound Hound Lounge' started by Pastafarian, Jul 7, 2020.

  1. Pastafarian

    Pastafarian Member

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    I know certain things are subjective but what are some things that you know aren't true about certain gear? Things that either helped companies via marketing or hurt them via false rumors or general opinion? I'm not talking about opinions here though. I want to talk proof in the pudding.

    I will start with a few that I know aren't even close to the actual truth..

    All Behringer/Bugera products suck
    All old Marshall amps are great
    American Made Strats are always better than Japanese or Mexican.
     
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    If we wanted to talk more on a macro level too I believe Marshall and Mesa are two companies that have benefited greatly from great marketing. Also "American Made" is it always better? I'd say emphatically the answer in NO.
     
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    My experience is that every piece of Behringer gear that family or friends have used is junk.
    I have never used it because of the 100% failure rate I’ve observed.

    YMMV
     
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    You do realize that is impossible right? This is what I'm talking about though. My experience with them is the exact opposite

    The truth lies between. They obviously don't have a 100% failure rate or 100% success rate. Matter of fact I remember reading not too long ago that their failure rate was better than any of their competitors in that market.

    Granted that failure rate it's not a perfect indicator of reliability. I'm sure they have sold a ton more $99 preamps than say it company that is charging over $1,000 for a preamp.
     
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    That’s true.
    I remember you, you are the guy that was standing silently in the room each time one of their products failed!
    Glad to hear from you again!
    How have you been?
     
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    100 percent? Come on now.....
     
  7. ant_riv

    ant_riv Supporting Member

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    Yes 100%.
    A 2x12 combo amp and two effect pedals.
    None of them made it three months, if I remember correctly.
    I still have the 2x12 combo and the pedals.

    If you’ll pay shipping, you can have them.
     
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    I have a Bugera amp with hundreds of hours on 10, since 2012 and still going strong. How about that?
     
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    I like this dialogue because you are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
     
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    A-Bone Montonero, MOY, Multitudes Gold Supporting Member

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    It does seem like it would be difficult for a company with a 100% short-term failure rate to stay in business, particularly in as crowded a market as guitar equipment.
     
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    Sorry if my experience doesn’t fit your premise.

     
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    Three whole items. "Family and friends" makes it sound like dozens...... I don't like Behringer stuff but you are exaggerating the truth to make your point.
     
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    “Nothing sounds like a Les Paul.“
    Once you close your eyes, plenty of guitars can sound like a Les Paul.
    However, many of us do have eyes. And plenty of us with eyes, play with our eyes, me included.
    I like Les Pauls.
    Marketing.
     
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    I extend my offer to you two also.

    You pay shipping and you can have these wonders of modern manufacturing.
    All you need to do is pay shipping to prove me wrong.
     
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    They make great keyboard amps.
     
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    A-Bone Montonero, MOY, Multitudes Gold Supporting Member

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    I'm certainly not disputing that your items failed. I would merely suggest that you're extrapolating to an unfair generalization from an inadequate sample.
     
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    Three out of three is still 100% isn’t it?
    My son, a band mate, and a fellow musician I jam with.

    Do you think I should purchase another 5, 10, 20 items to satisfy your sense of appropriate statistics?

    I’m out guys, the OP stated a premise.
    My experience is different, regarding Behringer.
    I don’t need to argue the point with you.

    Play what makes you happy.
     
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    I understand that the minimum sample size is 25-30 data points to have a confidence level >99%.
    However, statistical sampling also says that two data points are the minimum required to make an inference.
    There are so many other options available that I have chosen not to gather more statistical data. I’m happy you enjoy your Behringer equipment.
    Best wishes to you.
     
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    I'm just trying to understand who in this thread so far is calling behringer wonders of modern manufacturing?
     
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    That's a great example. I am biased towards stratocasters. I'm willing to admit that if I sat blindfolded and you gave me a well set-up generic strat to play on I would think it was a fender
     

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