Gibson Les Paul (fake, flaw, modded)

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  1. r4m

    r4m Member

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    I think this falls in the guidelines here, if not my apologies. And I will delete.

    I have a supposed 07 Gibson Les Paul Classic.
    First, it has all Gibson electronics and pickups. Pickups shown are not original but I have the original 498 and 500T.

    Pickguard, jackplate, pickup rings, knobs, and switch plate have all been changed to make it look like Bonamassa style.

    It appears to have the correct body cavities. I compared it to another genuine Classic that I have. But there are no markings in cavities. I don't know if it was repainted. It is a goldtop. Not sure if goldtop is original color or repaint.

    The serial no is a printed number on back of headstock like a Classic. But also has another different serial number embossed in clear coat on back of headstock also. Has Made In USA embossed in clear coat also. Definitely not a Classic marking. But previous owner said he contacted Gibson and found it to be a mistake from factory.

    On front of headstock it says {Les Paul Model} not {Les Paul Classic}.

    Fretboard inlays are yellowish/greenish like a Classic.

    Gibson logo on headstock looks like it was touched up with some sort of paint. Really sloppy. But looks like inlay is correct.

    Fretboard binding looks good and body binding matches color.

    Truss rod is nut type not allen.

    So.....any comments? Anybody got any insight on this?
    Thanks

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  2. Guitarworks

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    Looks suspect to me. The logo and conflicting serial numbers alone should be enough to spook someone. Truss rod bore on the headstock looks unusual as well. I especially don't like how the control cavity appears to be plywood. I think the "Gibson says it was a mistake" story is bogus and sounds like a line of BS. Gibson's recordkeeping and QC would have to agree on all of a guitar's specs and information before the guitar left the plant. Fake.
     
  3. Hugh_s

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    That logo is a big WTF. Stamped SN looks like an 02? Check the stamped number out with Gibson and see if they can tell you what it is. The nut on the truss rod looks normal.
     
  4. r4m

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    Thanks guys.
    The logo looks like someone painted it. Even the Knockoffs do a better job.
     
  5. r4m

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    Here are a couple pics of my legit 04 Classic
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  6. DustyRhodesJr

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    It is fake as an $8 bill. For all the above reasons plus to elaborate on the plywood thing, it looks
    like plywood with a wood cap of some sort. You can see the plies and the way the router has
    chewed into the plywood in that control cavity.

    Amazing is how every time someone buys a fake, the story they are told by the seller is there
    was a "factory mistake".
     
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  7. mc5nrg

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    I can't explain the smaller number, but that looks right for a Gibson to me.
     
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  8. IR79

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    Looks like a Gibson to me too I have seen logos go like that before where the black paint comes off.

    There is too much right for it to be fake nibs, bridge, wings, truss rod nut, truss rod cover.

    Plus why would you two serial numbers on

    Not sure how Gibson do the cavities but a cavity cut by multiple passes with a cnc machine that hadn't been sanded could look like that.

    Could be a refin and could have had a neck break and a new poor quality headstock laminate added

    I think it's a bit of an odd ball Gibson that may not have had the best quality control.

    If it played well and you got it for a good price who cares, enjoy it for what it is.
     
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  9. sshan25

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    I don't see anything that screams fake. The S/N is weird but l have a 91 Classic with a logo that looks just like that (and says "Model" on the headstock, too). You should ask the guys over at MLP or LPF for their opinions.
     
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  10. fenderlead

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    Looks like a Gibson to me (compare it to this one http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/historics-reissues/54285-1960-gibson-les-paul-classic.html) but with some strange features, so maybe it was some sort of prototype or something that got out somehow.

    Your guitar has a short tenon and Gibson wiring channels and routing.

    Your guitar has no writing in the pickup cavities though and the odd serials.

    From http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/historics-reissues/54285-1960-gibson-les-paul-classic.html

    "The Classic, and Classic Plus, were the forerunners of the
    Custom Shop Historic Reissues. They did not have the same
    construction as the Historic Reissues, as seen below, they
    are short tenon guitars."

    "The 1960's were called R6, and would have R6 in the pickup
    cavity. The Custom Shop Historic Reissue R6 was a Reissue
    of the 1956 Les Paul. The Custom Shop Historic Reissue R0
    would have LPR0, and the paint code in the pickup cavity.
    Both were usually hand written in ball point pen , and would
    have a long tenon. The Custom Shop did not make any R0's
    in 1993, and as far as I can tell only made one R0 in 1994,
    the one pictured in the Sales Brochure. They did make a few
    R0's in 1995."
     
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  11. EricStratton

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    I agree with The American Dream, Jr., daddy! Looks like plywood with a solid top.
     
  12. Bluesdaddy

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    Looks legit to me. It looks like a nice big chunk of mahogany with some router marks. Nibs, proper truss rod, headstock wings, wiring all look like Gibson . Only weird thing is the serial number .
     
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    If it looks this real it's real. The fakes are pretty obvious. The logo is not a big deal, they end up like that sometimes.
     
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  14. al.cxam

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    That is no fake. Defo made in USA by Gibson.
     
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    She gots Nibs....look'a'dat! :rolleyes:
     
  16. fenderlead

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    What some are seeing as plywood are just router markings.
     
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  17. HoboMan

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    I've had a couple of Gibson with similar screwed up logos.
     
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    Looks real to me, I've seen logos get like that before. The nibs and electronics aren't normally faked
     
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    Looks legit to me. This is actually the 3rd or 4th double numbered '00's Les Paul i've seen.
     
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  20. Sweetfinger

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    Looks real to me as well. I see Gibson logos chipped out around the edges like that every so often. If someone went through the trouble to fake a Classic with all the correct hardware, nibs, electronics, and decal, why wouldn't they sand the cavity better? Why not sand off the mis-imprinted numbers? The clear answer is that those are stupid things that happen on a production line. I've seen a lot worse off that line for sure.
     
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