Gibson sends cease and desist to Kiesel

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  1. Soothsayer

    Soothsayer (Paul) Supporting Member

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    I wonder if Kiesel will take the same route as Tom Anderson and do a redesign. Seems silly to go to court over it, they have been knocking it out of the park with resent designs and the flexibility they offer with all the features you can upgrade is off the charts.
     
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  2. Pidgin English

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    Yeah I was wondering the same thing too. I got an SC90S back in 2004 for just under $1100 and it was totally decked out with mahogany body and neck, flame maple top, unfinished tung oiled neck, black hardware and personalized truss rod cover. The prices have really increased.
     
  3. handyman

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    The CS3 still starts at $1249, but as always they'll let you add thousands of dollars of upgrades if you really want them.
    https://www.kieselguitars.com/catalog/guitars/cs3
     
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    Ok - just built one and came out to $1500 with pretty basic options, thanks.
     
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    Metaphors, like frogs, rarely survive dissection. You either get it or you don't.

    Disclaimer: That was a simile. No frogs were harmed in the making of this post.
     
  6. PaisleyWookie

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    That's probably the only time I'd support a large company buy a little company and promptly fire everyone and shut it down.
     
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    That was 16 years ago. What has the price of other guitars done in that same time frame?
     
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    I wound up emailing them cause I was so curious. They said after that response Monster never replied and went away. Gold.
     
  11. therhodeo

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    Yeah it totally depends on the options you pick. If you look through their in-stock instruments you'll see that a huge portion of them fall below the price of a Les Paul Standard and the ones that don't typically have very elaborate 7 piece exotic wood necks things that really drive up the cost.
     
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    Wrong way.
    The right way.
    Exactly.


    Henry liquidated those brands to lessen competition. He had no interest of doing what was best for them. Ask Trev Wilkinson about his lawsuit with Gibson.

    As for the rest, Gibson, as you said, painted themselves into a corner while the music industry changed. But we have more choice today, & the last 15 or so years. The used market & even the new got a boost from online sales. I think guitar is flourishing. Suhr & PRS are selling & Fender is doing better. Gibson needs to just get back to basics, improve QC, & STFU.

    Speak for yourself, thank you. Suhr & PRS don't have the issues Gibson is having.

    In the 70s & 80s, people liked those classic shapes, but just wanted improvements F&G weren't offering. Things like Hums in Strats, hotter pups in LPs, & better fit & finishes. Then things escalated with wood types, hardware, electronics, & modified Strat & Tele shapes. Necks got wider, flatter, & with bigger fret wire. Mistakes in production guitars were being addressed by the lessons learnt by crafting. Guys were literally watching wood warp in front of their eyes & tightening fit tolerances.

    Guys like Tom Anderson, Don Grosh, & John Suhr were cutting their teeth building custom stuff for pros like Mike Landau, Steve Lukather, Dan Huff, & others. People tried new designs in the 80s & 90s, but rarely did anything stick. Gibson LP players just messed with pups until the 90s & the pointy stuff got Fenderized. Trems, bolt-on's, neck shapes, & electronics. F&G were being left behind. Fender got sold & wised up, while Gibson went through an identity crisis. Then Slash came along. LPs were still used by quite a few people, but it wasn't the same.
     
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  13. Bassopotamus

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    some is inflation (I think a basic LB76 is cheaper today in real dollars than when I bought mine in 1994) but the cost of options is dramatically more expensive. Not that long ago, many of the wood options were a 25-50 buck upgrade, but are way more now. I was also pricing something with quilt maple and it felt like they got you twice for the upgrade. You paid for the wood, but iirc, a trans finish over quilt was dramatically more than what they charge for a trans finish in general
     
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  14. Average Joe

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    And even if they were confusable, the points of sale are completely different. No customer can be cofused in the marketplace.

    it’s a ridiculous suit
     
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    Wow. They do add up.
    Suhr options are super expensive, too.
    Note that Keisel have guitars listing above $10k
     
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    This is currently the most expensive guitar they have in stock.

    https://www.kieselguitars.com/guitars-in-stock/K171
     
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    Suhr and PRS don’t make headless and multi scale guitars as part of their regular lineup.
     
  18. Cymbaline

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    Gibson, is it your goal to actively try to make people hate you more? Because that's what you're doing.
     
  19. Billinder33

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    Because you might get confused that you're buying a Gibson at Kiesel's point of sale!!!

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    I mean, how can anyone possibly tell a difference?
     
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  20. nicolasrivera

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    How come, today, people still are surprised by this? has every one been deep in a cave for the past 20 years?
     

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