Gibson sends cease and desist to Kiesel

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  1. Bassopotamus

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    some is inflation (I think a basic LB76 is cheaper today in real dollars than when I bought mine in 1994) but the cost of options is dramatically more expensive. Not that long ago, many of the wood options were a 25-50 buck upgrade, but are way more now. I was also pricing something with quilt maple and it felt like they got you twice for the upgrade. You paid for the wood, but iirc, a trans finish over quilt was dramatically more than what they charge for a trans finish in general
     
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  2. Average Joe

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    And even if they were confusable, the points of sale are completely different. No customer can be cofused in the marketplace.

    it’s a ridiculous suit
     
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  3. Tone_Terrific

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    Wow. They do add up.
    Suhr options are super expensive, too.
    Note that Keisel have guitars listing above $10k
     
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  4. therhodeo

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    This is currently the most expensive guitar they have in stock.

    https://www.kieselguitars.com/guitars-in-stock/K171
     
  5. Faded

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    Suhr and PRS don’t make headless and multi scale guitars as part of their regular lineup.
     
  6. Cymbaline

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    Gibson, is it your goal to actively try to make people hate you more? Because that's what you're doing.
     
  7. Billinder33

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    Because you might get confused that you're buying a Gibson at Kiesel's point of sale!!!

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    I mean, how can anyone possibly tell a difference?
     
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    How come, today, people still are surprised by this? has every one been deep in a cave for the past 20 years?
     
  9. superstratjunky

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    & that matters how,, exactly?
     
  10. Billinder33

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    Honestly I think Gibson's angry that Kiesel figured out what their Ivy League MBA's and $750/hr. McKinsey consultants couldn't....


    If someone wants a pink and green quilted Koa topwood with Lumilay fret markers, you go to the CNC machine and punch one out.... you don't make a 5,000 unit run of them.
     
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    It's also why Kiesel is so willing to have signature models. They never have to make more than the original if it doesn't sell and they still get the marketing value.
     
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    There's seriously too many companies making better LP style guitars than Gibson. They're also doing it at better price points, with better features, and better setups.
     
  14. Michael Andrew

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    LP Studio is 2010
    LP Custom is a 2010
    LP R8 is a 2018

    I guess I've never purchased a brand new Gibson. Way too much money new.
     
  15. G'OlPeachPhan

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    Not surprised by it, but STILL after 20 years refusing to back down and accept it. How anyone, especially guitar players, can just accept this ridiculousness over and over again is the part that surprises me. To some of us musicians and human beings, it still means something to stand up against gross injustice and indecency.

    Allowing a big company like Gibson to bully the little ones with frivolous lawsuits is a disservice to all guitarists, and compromises everyones’ freedom. We need to insist on and maintain a credible level of competition, or we end up with fewer choices, sub-par quality, and inflated pricing.

    If it has strings on it, Gibson seems to feel they own the rights to it; they simply seek to crush anyone who becomes legitimate competition to their empire. Our legal system simply cannot be counted on take a stand against such nonsense litigation. It’s going to take all of us to make this right, and we can take action as consumers by speaking the capitalist language of dollars, cents, and SENSE... Let’s send Gibson a message they can clearly understand, and boycott the brand entirely until they either clean up their act, or run themselves out of business.

    Spend your money with a company who earns it the right way, and promote true and meaningful freedom.
     
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    Having read only the first 50 posts, my big contribution:

    This whole thread is confirmation-bias central.
     
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  17. Anacharsis

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    Very meta.
     
  18. freedom's door

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    Very well-said, thank you.

    I went to the Kiesel site last after reading this thread and looked around. I didn't care for the V, but that new Frank Gambale FG2 model is extremely tempting...
     
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    Gambale sounds great on that semi hollow of his.

     
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    Every so often I start thinking I should get a semi hollow, and that Gambale model is always one of the ones I consider.
     

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