Discussion in 'Guitars in General' started by p.mo, May 9, 2019.
Not a good idea.
Thanks. I’m guessing 8 1/2 lbs. I’ll try to weigh it later.
This is correct... it was the Norlin company who purchased Gibson in 1969 that sent Epiphone overseas. In the earlier 60s, Epiphone was every bit as good as Gibson... my 66 Casino and 67 ES330 were from the same assembly line and should be nearly identical, but the Epi is actually a bit nicer!
I can’t imagine changing the headstock on a couple models would propel Epiphone a past Gibson’s. It’s just the les Paul and SG anyway right? They already match headstocks on explorers, Vs, thunderbirds. And a quick scan of reverb has MIJ Gibson shaped headstock epis listed at right around $1000. I can get a Gibson les Paul for less.
Unfortunately I think it would cheapen the Gibson brand by doing that. Also, the Epiphone brand does have some unique models of their own like the Broadway and Sheraton. I think its good to separate the two. It can get a bit convoluted when they had the Epiphone Elite line. Those were Japanese models that were as good or better than many of the Gibson's for a lower price.
If they sold Fenders...
Perhaps I have missed something along the way but Gibson is the parent of Epiphone. Hence when Epiphone sells guitars, Gibson makes money.
Epiphone is to Gibson what Squire is to Fender
I don't have an issue with the Epiphone headstock. The bound one on the Les Paul Custom looks great, the non-bound is a bit bland but it's a functional headstock. There are also no wing tips to get dinged, for those who like pristine guitars. It looks better than the Telecaster flaccid wang, and that one is functional too. Headstock outrage is pretty much an internet goober issue, not so much a real world issue.
No one is disputing anything you said. Actually, it's fairly obvious. The question is whether the Gibson company -- which includes Epi -- would sell more guitars overall if they changed up the branding. I personally don't really care one way or another.
And it's entirely possible that Gibson doesn't want to increase volume at this time.
I don't see why people lose their minds over the Epiphone shape, it's not terrible. The Epi is not my favorite shape ever, but then again neither is the Gibby. I suppose they're both simply okay
Gibson and us would be a lot better off if they'd stop cutting corners and doing crap lacquer finishes on their mid to lower priced guitars. Orange peal and grain suck all over the guitar just doesn't cut it. If they're not going to do them right then they should just go to poly and have done with it.
It's not about the shape. It's about the bragging rights.
The Epiphone headstock has rounded corners on the top, which makes it "hideous", while the Gibson headstock has pointy corners on the top, which makes it "correct".
I like them the way they are. Keep the imports in the Epiphone line.
I like having the choice between a top of the line Epi or a low end Gibby for the same money.
I think they'd sell more if they used the same headstock shape because people would buy them to put fake Gibson logos on them. No question about that. It's no wonder why they use a slightly different shape for Epiphone, and one that can't easily be converted into the Gibson shape.
And for the set that is too worried that people might see them with "Epiphone" written on their headstock and judge them, they could then tell themselves that most people won't even know that it's not a real Gibson.
For Gibson, keeping Epiphone separate keeps from diluting their brand image, just like Fender keeping Squier separate does. Fender of course differentiates at a lower price point, but Gibson has chosen to position themselves so that every Gibson guitar is made in the USA. Historically, it has served them fine.
Gibson is doing well. Their new line is great and getting a great reception, and they've lost the dead weight parts of the business and the dead weight leading the business that were the source of their troubles. They don't need to change anything WRT Epiphone
Gibson sells more Epiphone branded products than Gibson branded products. Epiphone has kept Gibson afloat during every recession.
If they completely switched to THAT headstock with the bikini badge, I believe it would be a tremendous step in selling more Epi guitars!
There's an awful lot of people referencing the shape specifically. Even saying Epi should change the shape and keep the Epi name. That tells me it's about the shape more than the name.
Again, I have no dog in this fight. I'm just surprised that so many dislike the shape in comparison to the USA Gibson shape. It's not like we're talking about James Tyler headstocks here!
To answer the original question...
I think Gibson would sell more guitars if they brought back the Midtown line for all models.
As for Epiphones, I only have one right now; The John Lennon EJ160E. It's just okay, and I've had and have much better. The headstock doesn't bother me in the least.