gig report: HD500 with nylon&steel string acoustics

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  1. Aaron Mayo

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    I did a show last night backing a friend at the local cultural center. I amplified my Taylor steel string and el cheapo Vantage nylon string through the HD500 and an EV elx112p. I didn't use any other outboard gear.

    From a convenience standpoint, it couldn't have been better. I had a patch for each with eqs, & comp and tiny bit of chorus. The building was an old bank (we played in front the open vault) with high ceilings was very reverberant so delay and reverbs were off.

    The beauty of it was being able to plug the Taylor (K&K Western) into the guitar input and the nylon (old Fishman Matrix Natural) into the aux and have the unused guitar automatically muted. Switching back and forth was seamless.

    Sonically, the nylon string was killer (surprisingly). It was easy on the ears and cut through (it was a 2-6 piece band depending on the tune), which is an elusive quality with amplified acoustics, in my experience. I've never really been happy with the Taylor's amplified sound, but it was serviceable.

    I can't wait to do the same thing with an electric/acoustic setup. I play with a classic R&B/Soul band and the nylon string would work with some tunes.

    Anyway, just thought I'd share (if there is any media, I'll post--not sure). I'm really pleased with the sound (esp the nylon string) and the flexibility/simplicity of the setup. The sixty or so folks in attendance seemed to enjoy it as well.
     
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  2. b3l5tele

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    What were your settings on the nylon string ?
     
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    Not sure how much this'll help since instruments vary so much, but from memory (in the chain order):
    mid focus eq gain low (10) hipass at 30, lowpass at 100 both Qs at 50. This is basically a hipass filter to get rid of un-needed lows.
    I notched out a frequency (around 4th-5th fret on the d-string, so roughly 200 hz) with the parametric eq. I can't remember the settings, I rolled the knobs around with the amp on until the boom/ring dissipated. I set the Q knob at 65% or so (?). I think I boosted the highs a tiny bit, too.
    Tube Comp thresh at 80, unity gain.
    Tri chorus was set so you didn't know it was there, but when you turn it off you're missing some kind of 3rd dimension. I basically set the mix really low and speed really slow.
    Sometimes I add a hint of short plate reverb (mix at 5), to give the illusion of a "body" sound that the piezo lacks. The room was really live so I switched it off.
     
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    cool, capt, what amp did you use on the hd500?
     
  5. Aaron Mayo

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    no amp model
     
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    I'm actually doing electric and acoustic at the same time with one guitar... it does indeed work pretty well...
     
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    Huh? Please elaborate . . . thanks!
     
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    And amazing to me how I'm learning to use "less" of it... Let me explain. I set up all my patches for the first year and some that I had my 500 to be able to run my acoustic and electric voices together or separate... PLUS a comp/boost, distortion, long and short delays, special FX verb, and two modulations (often a Univibe on the expression pedal button and a trem or rotary on another switch).

    I DON'T NEED ALL THAT CRAP...

    I must have the two voices, I must have an amp for the electric, and usually a choice of two delays... and maybe a comp boost... I don't use modulation that often, I don't really need that FX verb if I'm using delays, and the Uni-Vibe just mixes it up too much even when I like the sound of it.

    I'm making simpler patches... it's good...
     
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    Only had the JTV since Thursday, so I'm not fully "using" it yet. I will probably need a couple weeks to update that article to incorporate it. I might even add a separate article for the Variax. it is, indeed, a VERY cool tool for this...
     

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