Discussion in 'The Pub' started by Shredzilla, Dec 7, 2017.
in court after his brother shows up ?
I always assumed it was due to a sense of honor he owed to his family.
At the end of the scene when Tom leans over and talks to the brother, I've been told it means something like "The honor of the family is intact/in place/stands."
He's there to remind Frank that if he breaks the code of silence. revenge will be taken against Frankie's children, who are living in Sicily under Vincenzo.
Apparently this knowledge was part of a scene that was cut from the movie.
Another interesting deleted tidbit:
In a deleted scene of The Godfather Part II (later restored in The Godfather Saga), Michael avenges Apollonia's death by killing Fabrizio with a bomb placed in his car at his pizzeria in Buffalo.
Those deleted scenes show the value of editing.
I believe this is explicitly stated in the novel
Who ordered Apollonia's killing and why?
Come on man. Clearly Mike is letting Frankie know that testifying against him will result in his brother being killed.
The whole Pantangeli thing used to bother me a lot. I mean Frankie was a good guy and he got totally screwed through no fault of his own. Mike knew that Roth double crossed him and that Frankie thought Mike tried to have him killed, yet he sends Tom to convince Frankie to kill himself by promising to take care of Frankie’s family, like the Romans in the old days.
But then I remember that Pantangeli shouldn’t have even been in the movie except that the actor that played Clemenza was dropped because he wanted more money. I liked Clemenza and would have liked to see his character developed a little more.
Then again, Frankie did give us the Pantangeli theory, also known as the 3,4,5 method.
They were trying to kill Michael... Apollonia was killed by mistake. She was learning to drive, wanted to bring the car to him and they thought Michael was taking the car alone.
Payback for Sollozzo? Michael didn't seem to be too upset by it, in the movie at least, unless this precipitated his accelerated rise to the top.
Agree. I think it was Tataglia.
Well... I never made the Sollozzo comment, so I can't argue one way or another. I could be wrong, but In the movie they actually never address who was responsible for ordering the car bomb.
You would think Don Corleone would have gone Beserk had he known Tataglia was behind it, and he probably would have known. I always thought it was kind of odd how Michael visits Kay right afterwards with a kind of "I'm suddenly single" courtship.
Was it right afterwards?
No Michael tells Kay he’s been back a year, maybe more.
That's what I thought.
I don't know what the timeline was,
But it seemed like that was Pacino's next scene.
Didn’t Michael pretty much take over when he got back. Vito was retired and had all confidence in Michael. Remember the scene where Mike tells Tom he’s out as consigliere ?
Yes, but the Don must have been terribly weak allowing Michael into the family business and not retaliating after Tataglia attempt on his life.
According to Godfather wiki timeline (which you can piece together from snipets in the moviea and novel)
Michael killed Sollozzo and McCluskey in 1946.
He then goes to Italy, marries Appollonia in 1947.
Appolonia and Sonny die in 1948, at which point Michael goes back to the US.
It's 1950 when Michael reuinites with Kay.
Michael takes over the family business in 1954.
Vito dies and Michael takes out the heads of the five family's in 1955.