Good looper?

[jamon]

I'm a fan of Keller Williams and am in search of a fine looper. I had owned a Boss rc-20xl, and I was not impressed. I sold it, and am ready to find a more suitable looper. I am looking at the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (though I cannot find any) and the Boomerang 3 looper. I am more interested in live looping, and making loops on the fly. I would probably be using a super reverb amp, and I am not sure if it has an effects loop. That being said, would saving up for the Echoplex be a wiser thing to do, or do you need an effects loop for it? In that case, is the rang three worth the price? So many questions...

 

[jamon]

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[splatt]

this is what ya get when ya search on the word "looper",
in the pedals & effects forum,
in "thread-titles".

searching is pretty easy to do, & it might help answer some of yer questions.
as well,
the loopers' delight website & forum has been going for a very, very long time;
you may find some very good info, there, and quickly,
and you'll be engaging w/some folks, there, who've been looping for a waaaaaay long time:
good stuff!

i tend to think of keller williams' looping as phrase-sampling,
or performance-multi-track recording.

you might wanna focus on loopers that provide what you need.
what does keller williams use?
an EDP w/LoopIV, i think.

anyways:
there are way lots of loopers available.

EDP, Looperlative, Boomerang, used Repeaters, the many, many Boss loopers,
the Jamman, Akai Headrush, at least 3 Line6 units that feature looping,
etc etc etc.

any of them that are fast enough/rhythmically-oriented enough for "timed phrase-sampling" might do ya well, to start;
i prefer the EDP w/LoopIV.
i play it in combination w/an old Repeater & an older modified Lexicon PCM42,
but not so much for that kinda phrase-sampling.

the EDP w/LoopIV is particularly capable of phrase-sampling & real-time editing,
among other things,
but requires a wee bit more learning than other units might do.
personally, i think the "8-track" Looperlative features the highest-quality sound,
but i don't have one.

note that, like any other instrument, looping well takes practise, thought & concentration,
once you've got the instrument in hand.

enjoy it!
it's a fantastic instrument, looping is.

dt / spltrcl

 

[sahhas]

you might want to look at this thread:

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/647870

or check out:
www.loopers-delight.com

as stated, lots of info there, you can search the archives.

i'm not all that familiar w/ keller w., but from the bit i've gathered, i would think the boss rc20 would cover his stuff ok. i have an original rc20 (the 5 min one) and i think that would be fine for doing the one-person-band-song thing,i think, the xl had 18 min of record time...
i remember seeing kaki king's live rig pic awhile back and she had a boss rc20 unit on it (wasn't sure if it was original or xl), i think john scofield uses one also (or did). i think when you're talking the build a song thing, it's all about timing and getting to know your looping tool (which i'm horrible at!). i know on the L-P.com site a # of folks like the boss rc50 thing-has option for 3 independant loops...
good luck,
s---
www.myspace.com/scotthansen

 

[jamon]

I had the rc-20xl and did not like it. I thought it made me sound too digital, and was not a professional status looper. I can loop alright, and learning more would not be an issue. The looperlative is 900$ and I am not spending that much. I dont have an effects loop, and am sure that the EDP requires one. Is the rang III andy good? Someone help me, I want a looper for live use.

 

[splatt]

I had the rc-20xl and did not like it. I thought it made me sound too digital, and was not a professional status looper. I can loop alright, and learning more would not be an issue. The looperlative is 900$ and I am not spending that much. I dont have an effects loop, and am sure that the EDP requires one. Is the rang III andy good? Someone help me, I want a looper for live use.

fwiw:
some folks use the EDP without an effects loop;
most of theme do not use high-gain preamps, though.
there is a mix control on the front panel, & i believe that
the "mix" can also be controlled via midi.
(not sure about that, though).

but..... are there EDP's w/footpedals available for less than < $900.?
i dunno, but i don't believe so.

maybem though, you could tell us your price-range,
which amplifier(s) you play,
what other gear will be involved in your soon-to-be looping.
could be helpful, to you..... as it may make it easier for others to offer suitable suggestions.


this is what i get when search, here, on the word "boomerang";
much info, & plenty of friendly people chatting about your interests.
plenty of folks seem to love their 'rang III's.

and, again:
if you want a few more friendly, experienced opinions than are generally present on TGP,
re: looping,
there's the loopers' delight mailing list & archive.
take advantage of it! it's a good thing, somehow.

dt / spltrcl

 

[Chonny]

Keller Williams is awesome. He plays in OKC a lot.

 

[jamon]

I would be using an old super reverb, with a strat and some pedals (comp, od, etc.) My price range is no higher than $650 because I don't know how long I will be into looping and do not want to make a huge investment just yet.

 

[hangten]

but..... are there EDP's w/footpedals available for less than < $900.?
i dunno, but i don't believe so.

dt / spltrcl

I guess I was lucky - paid $600 for mine with footswitch and minty...

also - FWIW I am running it straight into my amp(s) which don't have effect loops - works well for me so far...

and
it DOES take a wee bit 'o learnin' , but the EDP is pretty amazing and I look forward to the time when I am able to use it without having to think quite so much...

 

[Jumbo Fuzz]

PM if you are still looking for Gibson Echoplex with the latest software (Loop IV 1.1) and the foot controller.

As soon I can find out the shipping weight and ect., I was planning on listing mine on here and Ebay.

It is almost NOS. I ended up not building the rack setup I thought I would, so it was never racked.

EDIT: Sorry. I didn't see you couldn't spend above $650. My apologizes.

 

[splatt]

I would be using an old super reverb, with a strat and some pedals (comp, od, etc.) My price range is no higher than $650 because I don't know how long I will be into looping and do not want to make a huge investment just yet.

i guess it is possible to get an EDP for less than $900!
see hangten's post:

I guess I was lucky - paid $600 for mine with footswitch and minty...

wow!
pretty amazing, & coolo.
is that an full-on EDP, w/LoopIV?

dt / spltrcl

 

[Jumbo Fuzz]

I guess I was lucky - paid $600 for mine with footswitch and minty...

Nice deal. Depending on the version and condition, they can be found for that price.

Someone sold one on Ebay 2-3 weeks ago for $966.

 

[small axe]

i prefer the boomerang...its easy to us, versatile and trey uses one too......

 

[Jumbo Fuzz]

While we are on the subject, does Looper's Delight have a classifieds section?

I learned alot from that site, and I bet someone in that community would be looking for an Echoplex. I'd rather make someone's day there than some Ebay stranger.

 

[hangten]

i guess it is possible to get an EDP for less than $900!
see hangten's post:


wow!
pretty amazing, & coolo.
is that an full-on EDP, w/LoopIV?

dt / spltrcl

It wasn't advertised as such, but when I turn it on the words "LOOP 4" slide back and forth on the display...

then it says 1.1

is there another way to tell which version of the software/firmware it is running?

Someone sold one on Ebay 2-3 weeks ago for $966.

I actually got mine here. in the emporium...

 

[Jumbo Fuzz]

You have the Loop IV 1.1 software. That was the last update.

Quite a steal there for $650.

 

[seiko]

I'm a fan of Keller Williams and am in search of a fine looper. I had owned a Boss rc-20xl, and I was not impressed. I sold it, and am ready to find a more suitable looper. I am looking at the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (though I cannot find any) and the Boomerang 3 looper. I am more interested in live looping, and making loops on the fly. I would probably be using a super reverb amp, and I am not sure if it has an effects loop. That being said, would saving up for the Echoplex be a wiser thing to do, or do you need an effects loop for it? In that case, is the rang three worth the price? So many questions...

The Rang III certainly seems fully featured. They just arrived in stores in NYC and I haven't tried one yet but it *appears* that it would be good for song-type looping from the feature set and layout.

Whether you use a looper in an effects loop or in front of the amp you generally want a booster or a compressor in front for playing over the loops. Obviously the available headroom gets cut when you play loops through the amp your main guitar goes through. A compressor or booster can help that, to a degree at least.

 

[splatt]

i prefer the boomerang...its easy to us, versatile and trey uses one too......

the last time i spoke w/trey gunn,
he def did not have a boomerang.
pablo has one, though, & so do clint & moshe.

on a somewhat less funny note:
which loopers have ye played?

dt / spltrcl

 

[splatt]

It wasn't advertised as such, but when I turn it on the words "LOOP 4" slide back and forth on the display...

then it says 1.1

is there another way to tell which version of the software/firmware it is running?

no, that's the way to determine --- as j.fuzz already said.
dt / spltrcl

 

[small axe]

the last time i spoke w/trey gunn,
he def did not have a boomerang.
pablo has one, though, & so do clint & moshe.

on a somewhat less funny note:
which loopers have ye played?

dt / spltrcl

the boomerang original and the boss versions

check this link out

http://www.treyanastasio.com/treysrig/