Goodsell S17 6v6 model: what's the deal?

[GibsonLives]

Title says it all. I have and love the el84 version of the S17 mkiv, but this new offering definitely has my attention. Haven't seen any clips or reviews. I realize it's very new, but who's got one? Thoughts? Anyone able to compare it to the el84 incarnation? Thanks.
Steve

 

[playthecray]

I am curious as well, although my Goodsell S17 3-knob head is nearly perfect for me. I don't find the amp overly bright or lacking any low end with the single tone control running EL-84s.

 

[Kitten Cannon]

Wow. Interesting. I have LONG since moved away from playing Goodsells, but I remember thinking way back when that if the S17 hadn't used those stupid EL84s I might have liked it better. When you play it clean it can fool you into thinking it's not using 84s, but once it starts to grind, I get beaten over the head with everything I never liked about EL84s.

 

[GibsonLives]

I dig el84 tubes, but I also recently picked up a 6v6 amp (Boogie DC3). Very different amp, obviously, but I really dig the smooth feel of 6v6 circuits, and I am extremely curious as to how they sound in a Goodsell. Ah well, maybe someday there will be clips...or ideally, a head-to-head comparison video between the two models.

Steve

 

[HeyMrTeleMan]

I don't think this is the first offering by Richard with 6v6's. I seem to recall a small box (10" speaker or maybe it was a 12") but it had two 6v6's in a really small cab several years ago. No? Richard! Help me out!

My street cred is on the line here...

 

[Al Rose]

I dig el84 tubes, but I also recently picked up a 6v6 amp (Boogie DC3). Very different amp, obviously, but I really dig the smooth feel of 6v6 circuits, and I am extremely curious as to how they sound in a Goodsell. Ah well, maybe someday there will be clips...or ideally, a head-to-head comparison video between the two models.

Steve

Hum.....A DC3 has 4 EL84s. To my knowledge, Mesa has never released a production 6V6 amp. I could be wrong......Mesa guys???

Al

 

[stephenT]

The model is call a Goodsell V6 MkIV, I've got one w/ a WGS Black and Blue 12. Sweet would be my description.

There's a demo of a custom V6 (w/ 4 6V6s) w/ Richard talking about the build.

 

[Snottyboy]

^^^^^ That sounds fantastic!

 

[MajorDude]

Hum.....A DC3 has 4 EL84s. To my knowledge, Mesa has never released a production 6V6 amp. I could be wrong......Mesa guys???

Al

My DC3 has 4 EL 84s...

 

[jjboogie]

Wow. Interesting. I have LONG since moved away from playing Goodsells, but I remember thinking way back when that if the S17 hadn't used those stupid EL84s I might have liked it better. When you play it clean it can fool you into thinking it's not using 84s, but once it starts to grind, I get beaten over the head with everything I never liked about EL84s.

Stupid EL-84's?

 

[DanSimon]

6v6s are definitely better in my book vs. EL84 but i can imagine certain peple want specific retro type tones where they derive from the EL84.

 

[GibsonLives]

For some reason it didn't post earlier (crappy new phone), but thanks for the correction. El84 tubes in my Boogie. I was wrong, and i'm wiser now, thanks .
Steve

 

[Al Rose]

For some reason it didn't post earlier (crappy new phone), but thanks for the correction. El84 tubes in my Boogie. I was wrong, and i'm wiser now, thanks .
Steve

No worries. Just didn't want you to think you had something when you really didn't. I do like 6V6 tubes as well, and have already discussed with Richard about a 12 watt 6V6 build. Might pull the trigger later this year.

Al

 

[GibsonLives]

I honestly don't really have the space for anymore amps, though if I were to come across a used Goodsell at the right price (or a Juke for that matter), it might be tough to walk away. Meantime, i'll satisfy myself with a new OD pedal to put in front of the Goodsell I already have .

Steve

 

[stephenT]

6v6s are definitely better in my book vs. EL84 but i can imagine certain peple want specific retro type tones where they derive from the EL84.

I have both a Goodsell 6V6 and a Super 17 with the MkIV preamp so they are fairly recent. The EL 84s certainly cut better in a stage mix, thicker sounds, IMO for a gigging amp they are hard to beat. But I love sitting around the house playing the 6V6 amp, the detail is magical.

 

[Kitten Cannon]

Stupid EL-84's?

Yes, stupid EL84s! I hate them!

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to pick up my gear to go play a gig. Using the Jackson Ampworks NewCastle 30 tonight.

(wait sec, what???)

(I don't know how they pulled it off - an EL84 amp I like!)

 

[GibsonLives]

Thanks, Stephent, for the rare insight.

Steve

 

[jjboogie]

Yes, stupid EL84s! I hate them!

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to pick up my gear to go play a gig. Using the Jackson Ampworks NewCastle 30 tonight.

(wait sec, what???)

(I don't know how they pulled it off - an EL84 amp I like!)

LOL!!!! Hilarious!

 

[RichardGoodsell]

I don't think this is the first offering by Richard with 6v6's. I seem to recall a small box (10" speaker or maybe it was a 12") but it had two 6v6's in a really small cab several years ago. No? Richard! Help me out!

My street cred is on the line here...

I made maybe ten 6V6 amps early in my career; never felt as comfortable with them as I did the EL84s, but now ten years and 1400 amps later I can see the need for alternative offerings. But beside those early ones, there weren't any 2x 6V6 until the MkIV - you might be thinking about the 5F1/5F2A hybrids (which I've just started building again) but they were single-ended and made about 5 or 6 watts. I built an occasional by-the-book 5E3 clone, but the MkIV is the first "regular" 6V6 amp. The basic one is exactly like the Super 17 with the only difference being the power tubes. Cathode-biased 6V6s will give Tweed Deluxe or BF Princeton-like power, so not much more than 12 watts. There have been a few 4x 6V6 heads and combos, and there's a pretty good You Tube video of that version featuring Scott Clayton and myself if you want to search it.

 

[la noise]

I have had a MKII S17, a MKII Custom 33, and just picked up
a used Thunderbolt. I am running 6V6s in the Thunderbolt and
ing it!!!!