greenbacks vs. g12h30

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  1. blazzrock

    blazzrock Supporting Member

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    i currently have a g12h30 in my combo and have been thinking of changing it to a greenback style (austin speaker works). how would the grenback style speaker change the tone compared to the g12h30?
     
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    greenback has a smaller magnet which makes it more inefficient and gives it a looser low end when pushed.
     
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    Going from G12H30 to G12M/Greenback
    Less Bass
    More Mid focus
    Less "Crisp"/Bright top end

    "Smaller" sound (not as deep/bright) overall with a woody character. Also, a less "tight" with the greenback. Old-skool vibe (Greenback) vs contemporary (G12H30).

    YMMV, but what I hear/feel.
     
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    riffmeister Gold Supporting Member

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    What the heck is 'woody'?

    :)
     
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    If you have a woody for more than four hours, you're supposed to call a doctor...
     
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    Groovey: I see now......and the missing dialog ballon says "GREENBACK"

    :D
     
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    riffmeister Gold Supporting Member

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    call your girlfriend first. :)
     
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    2 of each in a 4 x 12 complement each other (GB's on top H30's on the bottom in a closed back as does one of each in an open back)
     
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    Not trying to be smart about it but we're actually comparing Greenback with Greenback here, M vs H. According to legend the M is more up front and the H laid back. As has been said the heavier magnet makes the response faster and the response curve flatter.

    "Woody" is in reference to tone where the tone appears to have an organic ring to it, almost like tapping on a piece of wood. Play through a Weber California and you'll get my drift. There should be no papery or metalic feel to the tone. There should be a tangible core to the sound; the mids should provide a nice, thick, present mid that's easily connectable to you and your playing.
     
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    A perfect description right there.

    Myself and Realfi had a chance to play a G12H30 and a Heritage Greenback side by side with the same amp (Swart Pro) a couple of weeks ago.
    Both sounded great in their own way.
    The G12H30 definitely sounded bigger and more bottom.
    The Greenback definitely more mids focus, but a very musical (and guitar friendly) sounding speaker to me... I like them a lot.
     
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    you might of heard them side by side but I have them inside the same 4 x12

    gb's on top H30's on the bottom and when I drove them with the Emplexador II

    I was overcome by a peperment sensation reminsent of chocolete and strained prunes

    BTW the cali is a JBL California sound type of more high fidelity

    Not really comparabile to a Pre Rola type Greenback

    Fane's are really the only Brit speaker that goes into that fidelity range


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    http://www.soloimagen.net/public/dibujosanimados/WoodyWoodpecker1.jpg
     
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    What does 'up front' and 'laid back' mean in terms of tone? If I were asked to use those terms for the M and H, I would ascribe the M as more laid back (less efficient with warmer/looser bottom) and the H as more up front (more volume per watt in with punchier/tigheter low end).

    'Woody' is like a tap tone on a piece of wood? Sorry, I don't get it at all. And interesting that you should use the Weber Cali as a reference point. I had one for a while and thought it sounded brittle and papery.....a real no go for me.
     
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    i'm talking about the g12h30 anniversary. i thought it was sort of a hybrid between a greenback and a vintage 30.
     
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    my cab actually has a g12h heritage and a mcgourty g12m greenback . nice combo.
     
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    when I got my Tophat it was also my first Greenback, wow! all the classic rock tones really made sense, it you want classic tone go for a Greenback. the smooshy bass is wonderful, I know that sounds like a bad thing on paper but in practise its great
     
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    i thought of another question to bring this thread back to life. if you had a 1X12 combo, would you put a greenback in it, or leave the g12h anniversary in it? and why? most of the tones i like come from greenbacks, but they are usually in 4x12's. your thoughts are appreciated.
     
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    I understand tone terms, can't explain them but I sure know when I hear woodiness, sharp to spikey mids, creamy or crisp top end, tight or loose bass, crystal cleans, squished, Jangly, spank, bark, woof, honk, nasal( I first coined the term "nasality" online, okay??) and my new favorite; smooshy.
     
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    The G12H30, to me, has a huge AC/DC vibe to it ... I hear one and I just think AC/DC. I think I read that Angus actually used Greenbacks in many recordings (correct me if I'm wrong), but that's what I hear.

    :jo
     
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    here's a higher gain comparison with a Shiva:
    (from Bob Savage)

    G12H30

    Greenback (woody to be sure!)

    and i think the Vintage 30 is worth a listen too, being somewhere in between and my favorite of the three.
     

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