Gretsch Duo Jet Help

lgehrig4

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Which is the exact model? Pickups? FilterTrons, HiLotrons or Dynasonics?

Generally the pots are good 500k audio taper, and it is a normal behavior with these guitars: the "problem" is the weakness of the Gretchs pickups. FilterTrons are slightly "hotter" but also slighty "duller", so...the HiLotrons are very weak, I have two in my Tennesse Rose, if I just touch the volume with a clean tone the guitar almost completely disappears in a whisper of mud! The key is the gain: I need my AC30 (no MV) on 5 to get a good clean tone out of those pickups, jangly, beatlesesque etc, while a Les Paul would be into AC\DC territory with that volume! Then it starts to work normally, just like any other guitar...obviously if you don't want to shake the walls cranking up your amp you can use a transparent overdrive to add gain and leave the tone intact...I found really useful this "quickness" with germanium fuzzes: just a touch and...clean-dirty-clean-dirty-clean-dirty...it's addictive! :D
Forgot the exact model number. Has FilterTrons and ebony board with those thumb print inlays. Real nice guitar.

Well, I started this thread to make sure it wasn't just my guitar and I think I know the answer to that now. Looks like new pots and treble bleed on the way. I might just look for a local guitar guru and let the pro work his magic.
 

lgehrig4

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Love the guitar. I just want to take the time to make it perfect for me. I can see us growing old together ;)
 

lgehrig4

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I think I may want another Gretsch in my collection down the road. If you already have a Duo Jet and are into Black Crowes type rock, what is the next Gretsch you look into?
 

ultradust

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Maybe another G6128 but with TV Jones Powertrons or Classic Plus?

To be sure, mY '92 G6128T has those oomphy-ceramic Filtertrons and can push as hard as vintage PAFs with plenty of crunch, but if you've already got a Jet (even if it's a post FMIC-acquisition Grestch), you're already in the right territory for Black Crowes tones. Just the same, since so many amazing guitar sounds on "Who's Next" etc. are from a G6120 and can be legitimately said to be in the same ballpark, for diversity's sake I wouldn't shy away from a hollowbody Pre-series Gretsch with HS Filtertrons either...Just have a decent Marshall handy and you're good to go.
 
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ultradust

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They're all wonderful, but it's still a diverse span of Gretsch models: 24.6" scale vs. 25.5", dynasonics vs. filtertrons, double and single cuts with different thickness, trestle bracing vs. sound post; a whole plethora of options, not a single model spec. But if you must go for something as big as a Falcon, based on your previous posts you can't go wrong with a filtertron-equipped G6136 or G6136BK.
 

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My tech has wired a couple of my guitars with the 50's wiring scheme. That can be kind of cool. When you roll back the volume the sound stays the same. When you roll back the "tone" there is a reduction in volume. It's a real easy mod.
 

Axis29

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I am a total Gretsch fanboy.... I love my Sparkle Jet (6129TLS). But, the one thing I had to do was add a treble bleed to the master volume.

I tried it initially with the cap and resistor and ended up taking the resistor back out.... I didn't like the way it changed the taper. But, that's me... You might like it with the changed taper.

My 6129 is one of the finest guitars I've ever played, let alone owned. With that one small change it became absolutely perfect!
 

fitz

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I discussed a version of this issue with Tom (TV) Jones, who certainly knows these guitars. His advice, relating to my PowerJet, was that if I leave the two individual pickup volumes all the way up most of the time and usually adjust the volume of the guitar with the master (I do) then to leave the individual volumes up all the way and put a treble bleed circuit on the master volume control.
I can't see how this would help blending the pickups. I always use the volume controls for the in between sound and variations in between on each control. The treble bleed seems like it would only affect the master volume with both pickups all the way up. I believe that turning the volume down on either pickup volume control past 8 & 1/2 drops that pickup out of the circuit and makes it totally inaudible and super bass. I just duplicated this a minute before typing this. IMO, not a taper or treble bleed issue. That being said I love may Gretsch & have become resolved to thinking of it as a Tele wiring on the in-between positions with no way to adjust the pickup volume in the middle position.
 
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lgehrig4

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A few have suggested using a treble bleed on the master and leaving the volumes up. Is there a reason not to install treble bleeds on all three volumes just to give you know more flexibility?
 

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A few have suggested using a treble bleed on the master and leaving the volumes up. Is there a reason not to install treble bleeds on all three volumes just to give you know more flexibility?
In my case, I don't feel a bridge pickup needs to retain the highs. I actually like to roll the bridge volume down, just a hair, to take off some of the top end.
 

lgehrig4

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In my case, I don't feel a bridge pickup needs to retain the highs. I actually like to roll the bridge volume down, just a hair, to take off some of the top end.
I like to use the volume to go from clean to mean. I like my cleans to sparkle. Can't do that now.
 

lgehrig4

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They're all wonderful, but it's still a diverse span of Gretsch models: 24.6" scale vs. 25.5", dynasonics vs. filtertrons, double and single cuts with different thickness, trestle bracing vs. sound post; a whole plethora of options, not a single model spec. But if you must go for something as big as a Falcon, based on your previous posts you can't go wrong with a filtertron-equipped G6136 or G6136BK.
If I were to get another I'd want a different look. Those Falcons are big though. Don't they make a thin version?
 

ultradust

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If I were to get another I'd want a different look. Those Falcons are big though. Don't they make a thin version?
Aye, if body thickness of the single cut Falcons bothers you then you'd likely feel more comfortable with a "Center Block" version like the G6139T-CB

 

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You may have had a different experience but you can't disagree with my experience. It's true for me. Every Japanese guitar I owned had crappy electronics compared to American guitars. Not that many. Tele, squire, tokai, elitist casino, elitist 335 and now this. Not saying they all did what this Gretsch does, but when I opened the up the electronics looked cheap.
I'm not disagreeing with your experience.
I just don't agree that Gretsch electronics are crappy or cheap.
I own 2 and have played about 100.
Electronics on the pro line models are 1st class imo
For all we know the one you've bought is faulty.

I've never seen any guitar that was perfect stock & could not be improved with some mod's.
Check out this thread active now about US made Fenders.
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/i...e-replaced-when-you-buy-a-new-fender.1754963/

My Jet has had TV Jones Classics, Tru-arc bridge, Sperzel locking tuners & Reverend soft bigsby spring fitted.
Not cause there was anything bad about the guitar but done just to improve it.
In your case the fix is very simple, cheap & easy - treble bleed :)
 
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