Has anyone made 100+ watt Tweed Deluxe?

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  1. Occam

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    ...and still kept it nice and simple (no channel switching 20-knob eq sorta thing)?
     
  2. Bryce_dude13

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    Well there is the high powered twin (80w), which should share some of the same characteristics. But that's the closest I've seen..
     
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    Wow... a 100W Tweed Deluxe would be... VERY unlike a Tweed Deluxe.

    I think the loose bottom end associated with the Tweed Deluxe with 100 watts behind it would be enough to kill a man through speaker capable of handling 100W.

    Among other speakers, I had a Weber Silver Bell and an EVM 12L in my standard Tweed Deluxe and it had a very prominent amount of bottom end.

    I'd think at minimum, you'd need bass and treble knobs... so now you've changed the circuit, changed the transformers and both changed and doubled the number of power tubes so why even shoot for a Tweed Deluxe a tall. Just go for the High-Powered Twin.

    Not to be a Negative Nancy or anything.
     
  4. guitarcapo

    guitarcapo Senior Member

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    Two tweed Bassmans run together would probably be close to what you describe.
     
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    2 Victoria Double Deluxes?
     
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    There are stories (possibly apocryphal) of some of Dumble's early customers asking for, essentially, a 50- or 100-watt version of a tweed Deluxe. That is actually kind of what I think of when I hear a good Dumble ODS. Whereas a high-power tweed Twin, as great as it sounds, sounds like a completely different amp to me.
     
  7. bluesjuke

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    It's called mic'd.
     
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    sure 10 6v6 tubes in push-pull.

    easy peasy.

    the question is...

    do you want to have to match 10 6v6s when it comes to retube?
     
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    rhythmrocker 1966 Battle of the Bands Supporting Member

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    Just put in some self-biasing circuitry > post phase inverter to retain the "tweed - ness".
     
  11. diagrammatiks

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    well the actual biasing isn't that big of a deal.

    buying 10 6v6s for a retube is more of an issue.

    I think a 4 6v6 40 watt tweed will get the job done though.
     
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    cbpickin Tweed Supporting Member Silver Supporting Member

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    :aok Yep. I can have a 20,000 watt tweed Deluxe when I need to.
     
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    While not identical....yeah. Marshall.
     
  14. Occam

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    I play small clubs but they're large enough that I can dime 100 watt heads. Maybe you play places where the PA sounds as good as your amp but I don't...besides there's a level of palpable force the big amps have that small ones don't.

    Plus while I would love to stick to 6V6's, it's just not practical. If 6L6's work for Neil then they're good enough for me.
     
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    I have either seen this in writing, or have heard this before.:huh:p
     
  16. Jim Kelley

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    That's a lot of tubes to buy, let alone find mates for. But as long as we're not talking gassy tubes or flaky cathodes, watch the screen current and load them properly, 8 ea. 6V's in AB push-pull parallel would easily generate 100+ RMS watts, and sound nice doing it - for as long as you can withstand the spl. It should actually make a 0.1 KW Marshall sound slightly wimpy by comparison. ;-)

    From the standpoint of power dissipation, a 6V6GT need not be considered to be less that half of a 6L6GT. Radio tube manuals never quite kept up with the state of the art of tube manufacturing. Since the maximum dielectric strength of electrodes in a vacuum is on the order of 1000 volts/mm, we need mainly to concern ourselves with cathode emission and electrode currents, and tubes manuals are notoriously conservative in that regard.

    With the highly revered RCA, GE, and Sylvania tube manuals being long outdated, the parameters for current production tubes can only be known by determining them empirically. This is why biasing a tube based solely on numbers printed in a book 50 years prior to, and a continent away from where the tube was manufactured doesn't make complete sense to me.

    Sorry that turned into an off-topic rant.

    jk
     
  17. diagrammatiks

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    Ya, 8 would work. The tweed circuit is cathode biased so matchin isn't that big of a deal.

    But given the question asked by the OP...the actual wattage would just be however much * a tweed deluxe.
     

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