1. The Rules have been updated regarding posting as a business on TGP. Thread with details here: Thread Here
    Dismiss Notice

Have You removed Your String Tree?

Discussion in 'Guitars in General' started by david henman, Jul 20, 2006.

  1. david henman

    david henman Member

    Messages:
    3,060
    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2006
    Location:
    toronto area
    ...since my g&l legacy came with sperzel locking tuners, which are graduated, my tech removed the string tree, claiming that it is uneccessary and inhibits tuning stability.

    personally, i hate string trees, and jump at the chance to get rid of them.
    anyone else ditch their string trees?

    -dh
     
  2. Unburst

    Unburst Member

    Messages:
    4,221
    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2004
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    On a trem guitar I'll remove them if I can, but without graduated tuners you lose the break angle over the nut, which changes the sound.

    I wouldn't say they were unnecessary, they are needed on a Fender style headstock with regular tuners, but they can cause tuning problems with a trem.

    I have one string tree on my Tele for the top two strings, and for the D and G string I have to wind the string to the bottom of the post to get a good enough break angle.
     
  3. AndrewC

    AndrewC Supporting Member

    Messages:
    1,135
    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2006
    Location:
    Seattle
    I took mine off when I stuck Sperzels on - no tuning problems since, but I have now got 2 unsightly holes in the headstock. What's the best way of filling them in?
     
  4. TS808

    TS808 Member

    Messages:
    1,408
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2006
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Carvin is one manufacturer that uses locking tuners and does not use string trees, so I guess it works out pretty well. I have string trees on both my strats as well as the newer tuners that gradually lower for a better angle. Never had any problems with them going out of tune. I tend to put a little bit of graphite in the nut slots which helps alot too.
     
  5. LaXu

    LaXu Member

    Messages:
    2,580
    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    Location:
    Finland
    Even with Sperzels my Yamaha Pacifica 812WX has one string tree. I feel it's necessary for the high E and B strings.
     
  6. Don A

    Don A Silver Supporting Member

    Messages:
    4,752
    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2004
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Carvin uses an angled headstock which doesn't require string trees.
    I take the G/D string tree off of my Strats. It's usually not needed.

    I fill the holes with a cabinet scratch filler stick. It's like a big crayon made to fill imperfections ans small holes.
     
  7. michaelprice83

    michaelprice83 Member

    Messages:
    216
    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2006
    You also have very unsightly sprezels on your headstock. I wouldn't worry about the holes much. ;)
     
  8. AndrewC

    AndrewC Supporting Member

    Messages:
    1,135
    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2006
    Location:
    Seattle
    Pretty much identical to the original Fender ones from the front. I do need to sort the holes out though.

    [​IMG][​IMG]
     
  9. Chuckracer

    Chuckracer Supporting Member

    Messages:
    1,525
    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2003
    Location:
    Lowville, NY
    I always remove the string trees on strats regardless of the tuners. It works fine without them and there's plenty of breakover angle. But I also put a LOT of wraps on the treble strings.
     
  10. c_mac

    c_mac Member

    Messages:
    3,624
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2004
    Location:
    Iowa
    I generally switch standard string trees to roller string trees. I combined these with a roller bridge and locking tuners. As long as the nut isn't junk this has combined for awesome stability.
     
  11. hawkeye17

    hawkeye17 Member

    Messages:
    1,064
    Joined:
    May 24, 2004
    Location:
    Wyomissing, PA
    I had mine removed and the holes filled on my Strat when I installed a set of Sperzel locking tuners. It plays and sounds fantastic. Stays in tune extremely well.
     
  12. michaelprice83

    michaelprice83 Member

    Messages:
    216
    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2006

    Oh yeah, identical to the very non classic looking tuners that guitar had in the first place. Sorry I didn't realize it was one of those "strats"
     
  13. Heinz57

    Heinz57 Supporting Member

    Messages:
    222
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2006
    Sperzels look right at home on an electric to me. Spezels make string changes so much easier, and quicker. Plus they help tremolo equipped guitars stay in tune.

    Right now I'm thinking how much faster I could change the strings on my acoustic if it were equipped with sperzels. I don't really think I could do it but If I had a beater acoustic I'd be really tempted. Has anybody gone completely nuts with sperzels and put them on an acoustic?

    Hawkeye can you post a pic of your headstock without the string tree holes? I'd like to see just how invisible they can be made to look.
     
  14. Robertito

    Robertito Member

    Messages:
    975
    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2005
    Location:
    On the road
    I took the string trees off some years ago, when I first had locking tuners on a Strat, but found that I really needed them in the studio, so now I have one on the headstock but don't put the strings through it live - only during recording.
     
  15. oxtone

    oxtone Member

    Messages:
    4,737
    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2005
    Location:
    Edina, MN
    I took off the middle string tree years ago, when I got Sperzels, and an Earvana Nut installed on my Walnut "The Strat". The remaining tree is a Graph Tech. No problems using the Wilkinson "Vintage" Trem I had installed. I also use some Big Bends Nut Sauce sometimes, which works great.
     
  16. AndrewC

    AndrewC Supporting Member

    Messages:
    1,135
    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2006
    Location:
    Seattle
    If the sight of non-vintage tuners is making you hostile and aggressive, perhaps it's time to phone the clinic again..? :crazyguy
     
  17. mgarrison99

    mgarrison99 Silver Supporting Member

    Messages:
    1,285
    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2006
    Location:
    Allen (Dallas), Texas
    I just pulled off the one I put on for the D and G string. I think it has been the root of my tuning issues when using the trem arm.
    [​IMG]
     
  18. JUSTJOB

    JUSTJOB Member

    Messages:
    2,409
    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2006
    Location:
    USA
    My CS Strat Pro came without any string tree. It does have Sperzels, a roller nut, and that Strats tuning is stable as a rock. It sounds fantastic too!
    Best Regards!
     
  19. scottlr

    scottlr Member

    Messages:
    22,723
    Joined:
    May 14, 2006
    Location:
    Born & raised in Texas; stranded in Iowa
    All of my Strats and Teles have the vintage style trees, and I leave them on, without any problem. After watching the Greg Koch DVD, I did take the string out of the tree to try out some of his behind the nut skullduggery, but I put it back shortly after.
     
  20. John Hurtt

    John Hurtt Supporting Member

    Messages:
    16,354
    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Location:
    Northern California

    So, am I assuming that unless a strat is a vintage-style it's not a "real" strat?

    How's that Model A running? ;)
     

Share This Page