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HD400 or M9?

mikeymoves

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I have an M9 right now, but an opportunity to pick up an HD400 for cheap cheap cheap.

I used to have an HD500, but moved to pedals and got a nice amp (Orange TH30). I liked the idea of putting the M9 in the Effects Loops of the Orange with the an MXR 10 band EQ pedal (can I put both in the loop together?) but honestly, there's something about the fidelity of the M9 effects that I am not crazy about. I am convinced the HD500 sounded better, but I wasn't crazy about the pre-amp models. I am thinking running 4 cable with the HD400 might be a good choice given the expanded options. What would YOU do!

I do place a premium on the controls and size of the M9 though...
 

Pietro

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The M9 and M13 are FAR better as "pedalboards" than the HD series.
 

mikeymoves

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Without a doubt, but you can do SO much more with the HD line outside of just gigging.
 

mikeymoves

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I actually found an HD500 for $100 and pulled the trigger on it. I've got it running 4 cable and it's working fine save for a ground hum issue.
 

charley

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The HD500 offers tremendous flexibility in terms of routing options, has amp/cab sims should you ever need them, and a built in expression pedal. But, it is considerably larger than an M9, and has a few more obstacles to overcome if you want to run it for fx only. I use mine both ways, but found that using as fx only in the front end of a tube amp requires patience. I found it easier to use as a full on modeling rig, and have not yet gotten it to the point where I am as satisfied with it for fx only. I too struggle with the "clarity" of the Line 6 fx, and just despise their od tones. Very harsh.

But, it still has a place for me. Though I own an 11R and a traditional pedalboard as well, both of which sound better to me, I still use the POD a lot. It is a great tool to use live, where that extra bit of magic that higher end gear can have does not translate to an audience.
 

anyone

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The M9 and M13 are FAR better as "pedalboards" than the HD series.
Because of sound quality or practicality?
I actually found an HD500 for $100 and pulled the trigger on it. I've got it running 4 cable and it's working fine save for a ground hum issue.
Lucky dog! Stoked you found a great deal and that it's working for you.
The HD500 offers tremendous flexibility in terms of routing options, has amp/cab sims should you ever need them, and a built in expression pedal. But, it is considerably larger than an M9, and has a few more obstacles to overcome if you want to run it for fx only. I use mine both ways, but found that using as fx only in the front end of a tube amp requires patience. I found it easier to use as a full on modeling rig, and have not yet gotten it to the point where I am as satisfied with it for fx only. I too struggle with the "clarity" of the Line 6 fx, and just despise their od tones. Very harsh.

But, it still has a place for me. Though I own an 11R and a traditional pedalboard as well, both of which sound better to me, I still use the POD a lot. It is a great tool to use live, where that extra bit of magic that higher end gear can have does not translate to an audience.
Thanks for that. Yeah, I mainly want a looper and something to record with, but then I start thinking that it'd be cool if I could use it in place of pedals... I'm borrowing a buddy's M9 at the moment, and I'm having a lot of fun with it, but I know what you mean about the clarity...
 

mikeymoves

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Clarity is a good word to use. It's funny, as I dial in the "mix" on effects, I find that "mix" should be renamed "tone kill." The more you mix in an effect, the more it destroys the fidelity of the guitar/amp/dynamics. It's much worse on any sort of mod/pitch/filter.
 

anyone

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Clarity is a good word to use. It's funny, as I dial in the "mix" on effects, I find that "mix" should be renamed "tone kill." The more you mix in an effect, the more it destroys the fidelity of the guitar/amp/dynamics. It's much worse on any sort of mod/pitch/filter.
Yeah, "tone kill" or maybe even "Paradox" because when you turn it up the veneer gets simultaneously thicker and thinner (more effect and less like the real thing...). It's still a lot of fun though... I really dig the lo-fi delay, and I actually like the overdrive and facial fuzz for what they are.
 






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