Helix 2.8?

gtr37

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Gah....last trick, and I have to credit @fremen for it:

Start your signal chain with the three-band compressor and play with the bass controls. You will get MOAAAAAAR "low end and air" on pretty much any amp you try this with.
Or he could buy the Markv
From ML and call it a day :)
 

texhex

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So glad I got Native when I did. Great product. Love it! Looking forward to the new features in 2.8.
 
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They're busy? They did offer to move me to top of the pile for $50. I declined. So, I'll do the next 3 - 4 gigs the old-fashioned way. Should be fun, but gonna miss my Univibe sound and my harmony patch for Ramble On. ;)
Man, I'd love to get your thoughts/settings/setup on the Vibe. I'm struggling to get the goods out of the Ubiq Vibe comparing to a Mini Deja Vibe.
 

JoeB63

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Man, I'd love to get your thoughts/settings/setup on the Vibe. I'm struggling to get the goods out of the Ubiq Vibe comparing to a Mini Deja Vibe.
Well, since I don't have a Helix here today, I can't tell you what my settings are. Plus, I've never owned a non-Helix Univibe, so can't say how it compares to the Deja Vibe or any other. I just know I like how the Univibe in the Helix sounds. Sorry.
 
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Well, since I don't have a Helix here today, I can't tell you what my settings are. Plus, I've never owned a non-Helix Univibe, so can't say how it compares to the Deja Vibe or any other. I just know I like how the Univibe in the Helix sounds. Sorry.
Thanks, Joe. No biggy. I've got it sounding just ok. There is something, a depth, about the MDV I just can't get out of the Ubiq Vibe.
 

mattt67

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Hi guys
I was just messing around with the various preamp models into my amp's FX return. It's a ton of fun

BUT
- The volumes are all over the place when you switch from one preamp model to another, which is a bit annoying when trying them out.
- Also some preamps are much quieter than others, even with the channel volume maxed out.
- And finally I always have a problem with the Derailed Ingrid preamp which always has some digital clipping, even at lower volume and gain levels.
@Digital Igloo It'd be great if you guys could have a look into this for a future FW update
Thanks
 

Ringleader42

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I was just messing around with the various preamp models into my amp's FX return. It's a ton of fun
Be sure to try full amp models (obviously without the cab sim though) too. I know it sounds counterintuitive but unless you're driving your amp hard, the power amp modeling often adds to the tone in a positive way, IME.
 

JoeB63

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Be sure to try full amp models (obviously without the cab sim though) too. I know it sounds counterintuitive but unless you're driving your amp hard, the power amp modeling often adds to the tone in a positive way, IME.
I'm thinking that depends on the amp/preamp -- e.g. Since Plexis and tweeds get much of their gain from their power amp sections, just using the preamp model into the effects loop of an amp isn't going to get you great results, unless that (real tube) poweramp is really being pushed. So using the full Helix amp model might work better.

On the other hand, for a model of an amp that gets most, or all, of its gain from it preamp section, just using the Helix preamp might be your best bet.

Running into a clean power amp, like a SD Powerstage or a Fryette PowerStation (unless it's cranked), you'll almost always be better off with the full amp model.
 

mattt67

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I'm thinking that depends on the amp/preamp -- e.g. Since Plexis and tweeds get much of their gain from their power amp sections, just using the preamp model into the effects loop of an amp isn't going to get you great results, unless that (real tube) poweramp is really being pushed. So using the full Helix amp model might work better.

On the other hand, for a model of an amp that gets most, or all, of its gain from it preamp section, just using the Helix preamp might be your best bet.

Running into a clean power amp, like a SD Powerstage or a Fryette PowerStation (unless it's cranked), you'll almost always be better off with the full amp model.
Hey
I don't agree with you. All the preamps have a master control, so you can still get some dirt from your plexi or deluxe. Of course if you play at low volume it won't feel the same as a 100w cranked plexi. I think I get some great plexi and tweed tones with the preamp models, especially clean and crunch. I struggle a bit more with the higher gain preamps which need more EQing and sound a bit less realistic in my experience.
I have tried the full amp models (without cab) with my amps and was not really convinced. But it all depends on the power section like you said.
 

toasterdude

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The dual amp/paired with a lower gain amp thing isn't crazy. Metal engineers do it all of the time when reamping and layering.
Right but one think people fail to realize that with product like a helix thinking more like an engineer is more useful than if you just use an amp and rely on FOH or recording engineers.
 

josetxu

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I wish the Helix had the number of firmware updates that Fractal has. I guess that's the problem of having so many different versions of HX now, less time spent on Helix users. Still waiting for the mind blowing stuff they've been talking about for years now.
What Fractal? I have an AX8 and it's development is completely stopped since half a year ago and it doesn't seem we are going to get anymore.
 

MikeDV

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Funny, I've had both - now have a Helix - after awhile, I got sick of the Fractal updates. Besides each update and new physical model sounding "more 3D", I never really heard any improvement that did me any good, only changes. They all have their pros/cons. I end up tweaking every single one to sound like "My Sound", it ends up being a Groundhog Day exercise into EQ, messing with outputs, fooling with other gear to get to the same place. I love to be able to play virtually (pun-ish) any amp that exists, but only really enjoy or would use one or two. If I could afford it and had the room, I probably would own every amp that exists - and I have owned literally dozens of them too. But a huge pile of them would be covered in dust after a workout or two with them. My preference today after owning every single modeler version save the latest Axe is the Helix (along with some other stuff). Doesn't make it better or best, just works right for me. Once the sound is there, then weight, reliability, cost, ability to work well consistently on gigs and other functional stuff becomes important. Some folks like it, but the ability to now adjust the reflection time and db's of the third slapback regeneration in Merlin's Magical Delay model is lost on my tiny brain, along with the more 3D thing (I always wonder when it gets to 4D) in the latest iteration of the brand new model of an amp I've never even heard. Gary Moore's lead tone - I look for that vibe in every single amp or modeler. Every single modeler or amp can get a version, every single one close - given it's me and not him - so the latest/greatest firmware update every gd 9 days is just a hassle for me to get back to the same place. Players that kill using a Helix, a Fractal, a POD, straight into an amp, straight into a PA - all piss me off because I can't be as good a player, but I"m over it. I'm trying to spend more time playing. Folks that are smarter and more talented and can enjoy the tweaking/downloading along with being a player, cool. I'll follow along and look, listen and learn. It's awesome to see what works for others, and compare and contrast what I do. That's why I'm here spewing word salad. I like Ralph's strawberry ice cream. I'm not pissed anyone likes Breyer's chocolate. Nowadays, I'm happy for them too.
 




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