Helix 2.8?

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  1. phil_m

    phil_m Supporting Member

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    The issue is that right now the bypass states of all blocks are always saved with all snapshots. So in that sense, there is no setting up blocks to be affected by snapshots. They always are.
     
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    The issues is that for people using the four stomp/four snapshot layout the bypass state of the stomps on top keeps changing when they change snapshot.

    What I think a lot of people want is for their snapshots to work like 'amp channels' and their stomps to work like 'pedals' - ie only toggle on and off when they tell them to.
     
  3. thebeebs

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    Yes, exactly.
     
  4. jaded_musician

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    It's also helpful if you have a fear of commitment.
     
  5. thebeebs

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    You are, and I cannot stress this enough, completely correct.
     
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    Yeah, I was only partially joking on that. I like to keep my options open. Sometimes a solo isn't cutting it enough and I want to add an extra overdrive or boost. Sometimes the same with delay or some modulation. There were aspects to using snapshots I liked but it created more issues than I wanted to deal with so I've been in stomp mode all the time. It takes a bit more tap dancing, but I was used it from my pre-modeling era. This solves that problem, so I may give snapshots another go.
     
  7. Digital Igloo

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    Yep. Traditionally, snapshots do three things:
    • Always remember the bypass state of blocks (except Looper blocks)
    • Never remember parameter changes, unless specifically activated (by push-turning the parameter's knob)
    • Always remember the values of Command Center messages (or states of bi-state toggle messages, such as CC or CV toggles)
    2.80 adds Knob 5 (Snapshot Bypass) in each block's Action Panel so you can "untether" bypass changes from snapshots; that is, always bypass them manually. It doesn't affect parameter or Command Center changes; only bypass states.
     
  8. theevilone

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    This feature is also great for vocal effects controls. Snapshots for guitar sounds and unnafected stomps in upper row for vocals - a dream!
     
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    Bass player to guitarist: "Dude! I said leave my blocks alone!"
     
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    Who gave the bass player permission to speak????
     
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    This makes a lot of sense... and may cause me to buy the Mission dual expression pedal...
     
  12. pezib

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    "never mind the blocks"
     
  13. hotrats73

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    The new block feature will be handy in a lot of situations.

    Another example.

    Let's say I have a Les Paul and a Stratocaster. With 2.8 I will be able to have a block, like the kinky boost for example, that I can turn on or off depending on what guitar I'm using that won't be affected by the snapshots.
     
  14. 68Injunhed

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    This is the likely way I would use it, possibly with an eq as well.
     
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    I saw that the Helix products from Thomann weren't available at the time. Does it mean they're going to be back with the 2.8 in them ? Or am I dreaming ?
     
  18. pezib

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    "new kids on the block"
     
  19. MIJLOVER

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    No, probably just means they need to order more of them. The firmware isn't updates once it has left China, unless the shop decides to do that. It would hold back production big time if they had to wait for a shipment.

    But on a related note, I wouldn't mind it if 2.8 was released today :)
     
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