Help me pick some P90's..

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  1. kingsxman

    kingsxman Silver Supporting Member

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    I’m looking at replacing the stock (non stock) P90/P100 pickups in an old Gibson SG Pro that I just picked up. This is the first P90 guitar that I’ve had. The guitar is kind of a beater but I think with some TLC and a few upgrades it might be a player. In any event, I’m looking for a great fat sound with some sparkle, good note definition, good bass but yet with good bite. Not too bright however. I’ve heard a lot about Lollars and they seem to be the gold standard for P90’s…but of course cost about $200. I’ve also heard good things about Vintage Vibe pickups..which are about ½ the price. Anyone have any good comparisons between the 2 or recommendations?

    Here’s a pic of the guitar and a pick of the existing pickups. It wont be my main axe (at least I doubt it…). I’ve got a PRS and Les Paul standard that would be hard pressed to be taken out of service. I think this would be a nice addition to the collection.

    Existing pickups
    http://users.goldengate.net/~jgermann/SG_Both_pickups_1.JPG

    SG
    http://users.goldengate.net/~jgermann/SGFull.JPG
     
  2. the_Chris

    the_Chris It's All Been Done Before Gold Supporting Member

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    Can't beat the Lollars for what you're looking for, my favorite P90 by far (the price is nothing after you hear the difference).
     
  3. kingsxman

    kingsxman Silver Supporting Member

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    Are they as quite as the vintage vibe pickups?
     
  4. AS193

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    That doesn't look like original equipment on that guitar. The pickups and mountings look like a hack job.

    The Lollar's are great. Unfortunately, that always means you have to pay for it. Still, once you hear them, you'll forget all about the price.
     
  5. kingsxman

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    I think neck is stock. Bridge definitely isnt..
     
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    I don't have any experience with Vintage Vibe pups, but the Lollars are not noiseless (if that's what you're looking for). I've never found the Lollars to be noisy pickups, but you will have a small bit of that vintage P-90 noise, it just comes with the territory (I haven't really liked any "noiseless" P-90s that I've tried).

    AS193 brings up a great point, I'd get that bridge route looked at, it looks like a hack job (your standard P-90 may not fit that bridge route). Looks like a great guitar though! As far as I can remember, P90s on SGs were always screwed straight into the wood, I'm not used to seeing mounting rings for them.
     
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    +1 On the Lollar's............. I have them in two guitars and love'm


    Joe
     
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    My friend Nate from Bumbox amps has Vintage Vibes in his Lowel Custom guitar. They are awesome! They are reverse wound like the Lollars are, so their is a little noise, but not as much in the middle position. I bought a set for my R6 but the cavity in the guitar wasn't deep enough to house them. I'm going with Lollars now, which suprisingly are as cheap as Antiquities, but are reverse wound, which the Antiquities aren't. The Vintage Vibes are great, and if they don't fit and are un-used, Pete will take them back.
     
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    I had a set of 3 VVG P90s and they sounded great, but they definitely were not noiseless. In fact, the noise bothered me so much, I sold them and got a set of DiMarzio VV P90s. They sound great and no noise.
     
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    I am a Vintage Vibe user. I cannot speak for Pete's P-90s but I have several others.

    - tele set
    - overwound tele set
    - SP-90's, these are the strat p'up sized P-90's
    - Humbucker sized P90's
    - an uninstalled HSS set

    They are all fantastic sounding and an incredible value. Jim Soloway has used a few in his amazing creations.

    Here's a great thread from HC w/ pictures. You can see how well shielded his pickups are. My favorite part is Pete's response to an unhappy customer.

    http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1345621&highlight=porn

    BTW - I'm Go Cat Go on HC as well.
     
  11. pep

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    Dave Stephens (Stephens Design) makes great P90's as well. Unfortunately, P90's are the noisiest single coil pups out there. IMHO, the noise is worth it as I have never heard a noisless pup capture the true essence of the single coil sound. Shield your guitar and eliminate any ground loops. That is going to be the best you can do if pure tone is what you are after.
     
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    There is NO other logical choice.
     
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    I can't ever remember seeing P90's with mounting rings. If that guitar came with P90's they would be dog-eared, and probably no routing.

    That is, unless Gibson made some wierd mutant SG:NUTS
     
  15. kingsxman

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    Not sure what the "hack job" on the bridge is that everyone is talking about. You mean the bridge pickup or the bridge itself? (I know this is supposed to have a Vibrola tailpiece...but it was replaced).

    As for the bridge route, the SG Pro comes standard with mounting rings. Not sure why they did it that way..but they did.

    Here's a pic of my route and another pic of a "stock" Gibson SG Pro
    http://users.goldengate.net/~jgermann/SG_pickup_route.JPG

    http://www.gbase.com/Stores/Gear/GearDetails.aspx?Item=1520136

    http://www.everythingsg.com/catalogs/1972%20SG%20Pro.jpg
     
  16. jmadill

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    I think that you've got a pretty cool guitar there. It's unfortunate that you're having to sort through some problems with it, but I think it's gonna be worth it when you are done.

    What do you want this to be? Just a player? If what you want is a player, then you might consider checking out some of the sound clips of different pickups, and make your decision from that. Most of us here can only suggest what we like, and not necessarily what you would like.

    Seymour Duncan's site has some soundbites of theirs on line, and since there is a wide selection there, you might find something close. You can narrow it down from there, but find something close to start with.

    Now, as for what I've played that I liked ...

    I had a chance to work with a 71 SG that a friend of mine asked me to help sell. I really liked the stock old P-90s it had. I didn't care for the guitar itself, but I loved the way that old mahogany worked with those pickups. I couldn't afford to buy the guitar just for the pickups, but I sure thought about it.

    In my main guitar, I've worked with the Seymour Duncan P-90-3 pickups, but replaced those with Jason Lollar P-90s for a more vintage sound. The SDs were a bit harsher.

    If I had your SG, I would consider finding a used set of vintage Gibsons, and take it back closer to stock. Heck, if the original neck P-90 is in good working condition, you'd only really have to find a bridge pickup. Have you looked on eBay for vintage yet?

    If you want something a little different, you might even consider a set of Mini Humbuckers ... with the Firebird style trim rings. That might be unique.

    Good luck with your project!

    -jm
     
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    The Lollars are absolutely wonderful sounding.... :AOK
     
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    The Vintage Wind Lollars I have in my Tele Jr have just stunned me with how good they are as did the GVCG Lollars in my "normal" tele.

    I'd had Seymours and Fralins previously but I sure love the Lollars.
     
  19. kingsxman

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    Thanks JMadill. I think this will be a combo player and somewhat of a restoration job. If I get the right pickups in it, and if it plays well...I'll probably do a fret crowning on it as its pretty much a fretless wonder. I think I'll also do a refin on it and try to bring it back to the original cherry red. If the dude I bought it from can find the original bridge...I may put that on as well... We'll see. I'm SURE it plays better without the vibrola however.

    Sounds like I wont go wrong with either Lollars or Vintage Vibe. Does anyone have any recommendations on wheres the best place to get Lollars so I can do a true price comparison?
     
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