Help needed with rhythm notation

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  1. Elektrik_SIxx

    Elektrik_SIxx Member

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    Guys, I'm writing out this song for an upcoming project:
    http://youtu.be/Isu4s-u_1hg
    At 6:21 I'm getting stuck on the notation of the accents.
    What is it? Half-note triplets, some sort of clave?
    TIA

    Edit: Why doesn't the vid embed in the post when using the
     
  2. 5cent

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    (assuming you mean the lower shots, and not the higher string line)

    a string of dotted quarters:

    [1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + ][ 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +]
    * * * *
     
  3. Elektrik_SIxx

    Elektrik_SIxx Member

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    You're right. I already found it by dividing the two bars in 8th notes and putting accents on them. I actually got four groups of 3 eight-notes but that's more or less the same thing I guess.

    Thanks!
     
  4. Motterpaul

    Motterpaul Tone is in the Ears

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    That the way I hear it to - the trick is to always listen to the the drums - changing an 8th-note count in a regular 4/4 bar to this:

    123,123, 12 (8 8th-notes = 4-beat 4/4 measure) is a common trick.

    But in THAT case I hear them combining two bars and doing this...

    123,123,123,123, 1234 ( all 8th notes, two bars combined equals 16 8th-notes or two bars combined). NOT the same as triplets, but you already know that (its for the benefit of others who may read this).
     
  5. Elektrik_SIxx

    Elektrik_SIxx Member

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    Hey man, thx for writing it out like that. It's exactly what I had.
    That figure seems to show up a lot in those Streisand arrangements, plus they modulate all over the place too.
    Anyway, nice ear-training and notation exercise.
    Have to play three of those songs this thursday.
    My job as the guitar player isn't that hard but I feel for our keyboard guy. LOL
     
  6. JonR

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    It's two 4/4 bars with accents as follows:
    Code:
     
    chords: C     G     Bb    F             F (break)
     BEATS |1 . 2 . 3 . 4 .|1 . 2 . 3 . 4 .|1
            x     x     x     x             x
     
    
    In notation, those four accents would be written as:
    1: beat 1 = dotted quarter;
    2. beat "2 and" = 8th tied to a quarter (so the quarter falls on beat 3, making the syncopation clearer)*;
    3. beat 4 = quarter note tied across the bar line to an 8th note on beat 1 of the 2nd bar;
    4. beat "1 and" = dotted quarter tied to a half-note, to fill the rest of that bar.

    IOW, all the first three chords are a dotted quarter in length, but two of them need to be split into a tied quarter and 8th (or vice versa) to make the underlying 4/4 pulse clear.

    * The 2nd chord (G) could be written as a plain dotted quarter, if you (or whoever is playing it) thinks that's clearer.
     
  7. Elektrik_SIxx

    Elektrik_SIxx Member

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    Hey JonR, thanks.
    I wrote the accents above the chords in those two bars exactly as you described, with the exception of beat '2-and' ( the G-chord) which I also wrote as a dotted quarter-note. But I agree it would make it easier to read the syncopation when written as you described. But both ways of writing those accents show up quite often so I'm getting used to it.

    Thx for your clear reply!
     

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