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Need Help sorting out the many varieties of starter/budget Zilldjian cymbals-ZBT, ZHT, ZXT, Planet Z, Scimitar etc? Particularly interested in 14" hihats to be an alternative to Sabian B8.
What? Sorry to say, you are absolutely wrong.You think you need help, just think how Zildjian feels!
If you're in Canada, their budget line is called "Sabian", and they're average Hand-Hammered cymbal is more genuinely crafted than Zildjian's most expensive K Constantinople.
I'm not completely certain, but I think he was kidding...What? Sorry to say, you are absolutely wrong.
Sabian is not Zildjian's "budget line" in any way, shape, or form. Sabian is a separate company that Robert Zildjian formed in the late 1970's when he split with the Massachusetts-based Zildjian Company. I knew Bob Zildjian. I sat with him in a restaurant in Meductic, New Brunswick, Canada, and he said, "They threw me out of the family." He told me the whole story about how Sabian came to be.
The Zildjian family has had a long history of disputes and arguments. This was no different.
Sabian is a name created after Bob and his wife Willie's three kids: Sally, Billy and Andy: SA-BI-AN. It sounds Turkish/Armenian.
The Zildjian company owned a cymbal factory in Meductic where they produced Azco budget cymbals for years. When the Zildjian brothers split, Bob got the Canadian factory, but was not permitted to produce cymbals until 1980. They achieved almost instant success and Sabian has become the number two ranking cymbal company in the world, and deservedly so. The make great cymbals, both hand-hammered and machine-hammered. I have toured the factory extensively. I have toured the Quincy-based Zildjian factory. There's no comparison. Sabian wins hands down, IMO, insofar as overall quality, and they are also a lot more innovative than Zildjian.
Sabian and Zildjian have absolutely nothing to do with each other. They are competitors.
I suggest you get your facts straight before you post.
well, I thought the exclamation point and the quotes around "Sabian" were the tells, but as I said, I'm not completely sure.Perhaps, but there's no way to tell, because he didn't use a winky eye or any other emoji. You can't ascertain the tone of someone's voice on a forum.
What you said was, Sabian is Zildjian's budget line, which is incorrect.
Budget cymbals are are what they are. You gets what you pays for, in most cases; junk. I always tell people, buy used high quality cymbals instead and leave the budget stuff for kids starting out.I had some of the older ZHT cumbals when I started out, got a great deal at a pawn shop.
They were okay to start with, but I quickly realized their sonic qualities were lacking, and I traded them on.
I found them less pleasant the more I learned about cymbals and started listening to other makes.
Currently using a Zildjian A crash and splash, a 60's Zildjian ride, and Quick Beat hats.