Help w/ killer simple setup for quality acoustic folk recording

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  1. Mister Natural

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    You have some very good advice here. This was fun to read. The best things I can recommend is to invest some DIY into some gobos to deal with the room.

    IMO, your goal won't be to treat the room, but to create a tracking area so you can minimize the sound of the room. Some moving blankets draped over mic stands can help, but won't replace the 703 absorbers. Using both can accomplish a lot.

    I think mics and absorbers will make a bigger difference than upgrading the focusrite. You may consider keeping it and AB'ing against the RME and see if you feel it is worth the extra cost.
     
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    I was thinking of at least selling the focusrite (which is unopened still) and investing another $150 into the Audient ID14 - besides perhaps being a marginally better sounding unit, it has ADAT possibilities so I could expand into more tracks.

    Still wondering bout those premade panels vs DIY - I don't really want to deal w/ making frames and fabric and making it be solid... There's also those smaller vocal isolation booth round units...and other manufacturers for panels. Some seem to claim the panels aren't that helpful w/ how they deal with bouncing back waves - I guess it all has to be tried and tested out.
     
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    Yes. If you absolutely need an LDC for this recording
    rent one. You can get a much better microphone than
    you could buy - with less initial outlay.
     
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    There's really no need to frame the panels. OC703 will support itself. Wrap it in acoustically transparent fabric (cheap burlap works) and you're done.

    I did a little demo using two such panels for acoustic guitar recording: http://www.homebrewedmusic.com/2011/12/11/just-two-broadband-panels/

    Fran
     
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    Update:
    First and foremost is that we've spent some time working on new songs, developing guitar parts, vocals. This is what matters most, right?

    With gear I traded out my Focusrite 2i4 for an Audient ID14, and my KRK Rokit5s (which I couldn't stand) for soon arriving JBLs LSR305, and picked up a mint Miktek MK300 to replace my recently deceased AT4040r. So that feels good to at least feel like I have the minimum level I wanted with that stuff. My other mics and other equipment should serve me very well. The MK300 sounds really nice thru the Safesound P1 compressor/mic pre into the Audient line in - 2 very clean mic-pres together don't seem to have added up to a problem that i can hear initially anyway.

    Also I've been thinking in terms of the rooms - I have a large living room that actually I think could record well - and a carpeted master bedroom that also seems pretty neutral in terms of coloration and reverb - helps that it has an added extra area of space so its not really rectangular anyway...And found in a small room I was considering for mixing - clapping my hands I heard that metallic reflection happen so annoyingly -thinking to avoid that room now for any purpose. Was almost considering a vocal mic reflection shield (http://cadaudio.com/products/accessories/as32flex) but the more I think about it the GIK PIB could be worth the $350 - especially if guitars are involved (http://www.zenproaudio.com/gik-acoustics-pib-portable-isolation-booth). Not only for its quality - but also to not have to scrunch up against a little wall to do anything vocally. I do have 6 Bass traps from somewhere before, maybe with that - and w/ that PIB - and something on the ceiling? - maybe that's enough I can fashion a corner for recording vocals and acoustic guitar well...
     
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    one of, if not the biggest improvements i made in my tracking and chain was buying treatment. i use an 11x13ish room and it sounded awful. i spent a gang of money over at gik buying bass traps and treatment, but you hear every cent in every take you cut from that point forward. do not skimp on this. at the very least, do not ignore it. i think i got four bass traps and maybe six of the large panels and that was enough. treatment and monitoring are the things people ignore the most, and that is a huge mistake. like like spending all this money on parts to make your car go faster and never addressing the tires or the suspension.

    as for the mics, i went with a classic setup that would work with my lack of abilities and facilities- shure sm7 and sm81. for all my acousticing and singer songwritering i do, those are the mics. i own "cooler" ones, but those get it done every time, and still deliver clean tracks under my less than ideal circumstances.

    it sounds like you've done well enough everywhere else. treat the place and you're ready to go.
     

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