Here is the definition of the perfect hi-gain solo tone!

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  1. kyolic

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    Hmmmm... I'm a bit surprised there's so much low end.

    A thread title like "I love that f*cking tone" would've been better, though. I bet if you did a poll going "is that the perfect hi-gain solo tone", a significant majority would go for "no".

    And yes, disliking it is easy if you like more gain, less gain, more bass, less bass.. etc. and it just doesn't fit into your mix.

    Obvious to some, not so much to others. That's TGP, folks!
     
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    I agree...cut off those lows and give us a bit more slice to the tone...not much but a bit.
     
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    Sounds like the 80s never ended
     
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    That's a killer tone for Dream Theater. And the bloom he gets on sustained notes is beautiful. Perfect for that song.. I'd agree... perfect for every high gain lead tone situation... no way. Imagine Extreme's Pornograffiti with Nuno using that tone... way too wide in frequency.... Nuno's bright percussive tone is perfect for that album... Petriucci's tone would have been weird there.
     
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    Forget the tone....John sure can solo!
     
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    So hard to pick a top "lead tone", as there are so many great guitarists and so many styles and genres. Personally, I am not a huge fan of John P's tone on that particular clip, as it has just too processed with too many effects...killer guitar playing, however.

    I am not sure if some would qualify it as "high-gain" solo tone...it certainly isn't what many would consider as modern "Metal". However, I always loved the pure articulation, presence and clarity of Yngwie's tone in his early years...especially Alcatrazz through his first 4-5 solo albums. Of course, his signature tone has suffered terribly in the last decade due to the fact that he no longer hires a true recording engineer (insisting to do it himself), and his recent work has been an overly compressed, muddy mess.

    However, even in his "mid-career", there are tonal gems. As an example, here is the one I nominate for my "Holy Grail" lead/solo tone (solo begins at 01:34):

     
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    I love his tone and John Petrucci is an amazing guitarist. He could make horrible tone sound good.
     
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    Say what you will about Ingvey, but that dude's vibrato is just so good.
     
  11. kyolic

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    Can you please post a clip or youtube video which you think is the perfect hi-gain solo tone? I believe this can be a good experiment for seeing how people interpret good guitar tone.
     
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    Steve Lukather has some amazing lead tones
     
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    I don't think there is a "perfect" high gain tone. I think there are tones that guitarists commit to and make their own in terms of expression and for them, those tones might be "perfect".

    Personally I prefer high gain tones that are not overly processed. I want to hear articulation and natural tone - I can't stand an overabundance of chorus and reverb and delay. Those giant Bradshaw rigs of the 80s and 90s were the most ridiculous things ever and did not improve the tone to my ears.

    Although not a high-gain lead tone, this is an example of when Mike Stern used to have good tone - before he drenched it in that awful ****ing delay and chorus.

     
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    I'll say even more...:aok

    He is one of the greatest guitarists in history. In terms of causing a seismic shift in the way artists approached electric rock guitar, and the influence he had on new generations, he is in the hallowed pantheon, along with EVH, Hendrix and Clapton.
     
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    Oh come on mate, the topic is about the perfect hi-gain solo tone and you post a video of a guy playing jazz with a slightly overdriven tone (most probably it was a TS 808 through Blackface or a Tweed)! What's the point?
     
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    I just explained what I looked for in high gain and low gain tone - articulation, pick attack, and the actual tone of the guitar. The corollary between young Mike Stern and old Mike Stern fits - it's lead tone that's not weighed down by too much delay and chorus and reverb. If you want to amp up the gain that's fine, just don't put all that ******** extra processing in it.

    but if you want a higher gain example, I'll back up the Ingvehy suggestion, I really like his tone in this song:

     
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    Here's another example of a high gain tone I like, now I admit it's got some processed elements including what sounds an awful lot like a Digitech Whammy Pedal, but the tone is there. The solo starts at 4:22 and is played by Guthrie Govan.

     
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    Uhh, yeah. Someone could dislike this quite a lot.

    I don't make it a practice to inflict my notion of "the perfect high gain" (or any other) guitar tone on other forum members, because tastes vary widely, and I respect that fact. Since you ask, however, I will answer. When I listen to the guitar sound in the posted clip, here's what I hear:

    1. A bass over-ring that is distracting to me. The reverb exaggerates it in places.

    2. A huge amount of compression. Hammer-ons come out at the same volume as picked notes. This is very typical of shredder tonality, but I dislike it. A lot.

    3. An excessive emphasis on the lower midrange.

    4. A buzzy high end that is only partially tamed by the low-midrange emphasis and compression.

    I'm sure the guitar sound is exactly what was intended for the track. I am equally sure that a subset of electric guitarists would consider it the "ultimate tone." You should accept that many of us do not share your taste.
     
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