Heritage Celestion G12-65's or regular Greenbacks for my '78 JMP 2203?

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  1. jdel77

    jdel77 Silver Supporting Member

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    I'm thinking about speakers for my vintage JCM800 Lead cab, with my '78 JMP 2203 on top.
    I also have an Orange stack with V30's, which the JMP sounds great through, but I'm after something to load into the Marshall cab that will really bring out the best in the JMP.

    Presently it has 4 vintage Celestion G12-50's. I know some people love or hate these speakers.
    I'm thinking the Heritage G12-65's?
    Any thoughts on these as opposed to regular Greenbacks?
    Anything else I should shortlist specifically as an alternative to the thick punch and cut the V30 Orange cab offers?

    http://www.bettermusic.com.au/celestion-heritage-g12-65-12-65w-speaker
     
  2. Rod

    Rod Tone is Paramount Silver Supporting Member

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    It's a tough call...depends on what you want to hear... I've had both.
    Old Marshall cabs with greenbacks and others with G12-65's..
    The greenbacks have that snarl in the upper mids with a little looser bass response and distort quicker.
    The G12-65's are smoother but cleaner sounding. Bigger sounding as well.....
     
  3. RussB

    RussB low rent hobbyist Silver Supporting Member

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    A 2203 can easily blow a 4-12 full of Greenbacks
     
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    Rod Tone is Paramount Silver Supporting Member

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    Russ.. good point
     
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    Wait for the Celestion Neo Creamback. Should take off over 32 pounds too, with 4 speakers.
     
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    Wouldn't the 65's be more "kerrang-y" than Greenbacks? And also less "blow-uppy"?
     
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    Of course, I didn't think the 2203 could blow 4 Greenbacks.
    Would love to compare my G12-50's to some 65's.
     
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    Way less Kerrang than a GB
     
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    jdel77 Silver Supporting Member

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    Hmmm...
    so what can I look for that has that percussive 'Krrang' yet wont blow up on me?
     
  10. BADHAK

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    My advice. ...get Chinese Greenbacks.
    I've got a 1960ax with these and every amp and guitar sounds great through them, especially my 79, 80, and 82 2203's.
    I have a Avatar Contemporary 2x12 with heritage 12-65s and it has been my main gigging cab for 5+years. Nice sounding cab but I have compared those 2 cabs dozens of times (in my music room at gigging vol, just yesterday actually)) and even at the same vol the 4x12 sounds heaps better. Much more vintage, clearer, sweeter treble. I'm actually just about to finally replace that cab with a 2061cx.
    I also have an JCM800 1960A with original 12-65s that I use for rehearsals with a Ceriatone 2203. I'm assuming they are Bass cones (I've opened it up but can't remember) because this cab is heaps dark. Almost unusably so unless I crank the treble on the Ceriatone and use a OD to tighten and brighten the tone. Sounds great for solos and heavy, but not at all what I would call a classic Marshall tone.
    Get the Greenies for sure.
     
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    You would be going deaf before the cab blew.
     
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    jdel77 Silver Supporting Member

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    I don't usually get the master over 11 oclock to midday when rehearsing / doing larger shows
     
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    Same
    You would need to be cranking the Master and Pre to worry about blowing speakers.
     
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    2 Heavy magnet Creambacks + 2 Heritage Greenbacks
     
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    Echoplexi Silver Supporting Member

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    I like Lynchbacks for greenback type but with firmer low end and higher wattage with marshalls
     
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    -guitarist have been using a 2203 & a 4x12 with greenbacks since the beginning of time-

    -I don't know about anyone else but anything past 3 on the volume and it's painful to stand in front it-

    -I believe the term for a 2203 & a 100w 4x12 is called a half stack-
     
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    The 12/65's clean up the hi-mid spike that is in most 2200 series amps.
     
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    Which would be fine if it left you some of the chimey, sweet top end Kerrang of the Greenbacks.
     
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    Every 2203 is different in the sweep of the MV .Set for ACDC crunch at reasonably loud band volumes , my 3 would be set like this....

    79.......Master 4.5 , Pre 6
    80......Master 3, Pre 6
    82........Master 1.5, Pre 8

    All with slight, but noticable differences in tone and the sweetest sounding loud,bright amps I've played. Nothing painful at those volumes at all.
    Matter o fact, one of the reasons I love em is because they sound better and sweeter as you turn them up.....something that some amps have a problem with.
     
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    amphog Silver Supporting Member

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    I use a plexi, or a 45/100 for that, with greenbacks.
     

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