Higher gain for my plexi

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  1. gnugear

    gnugear Member

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    I've got a '74 Superlead that I've converted to '68 specs and it covers VH perfectly on it's own. I also have some Rangemaster clones that drive the heck out of it, but obviously lop off the low end. Other pedals include a BYOC tubescreamer which is great for pushing the Marshall into higher gain 80s tones. And I just recently got a Fulldrive II which adds more flexibility to the tubescreamer platform.

    What I'm looking for now is something that will push my Marshall into higher gain territory but have a tighter low end so I can do chuga chuga stuff ala Nuno Bettencourt (Pornografitti).

    I still want it to sound natural so I'm looking at the Brownie (or BSIAB), Crunch Box, and Plextortion.

    Any advice for me?
     
  2. Mooncusser

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    69 spec'd 1959 SLP user here...............
    I think the CB was a total compliment to the Plexi for harder driven tones.
    The result was kinda like a suped up JCM 800 tone, but very dynamic and amp like.
    Not sure how the CB fits in with other amp makes, but with the Plexi, it covered most of what you are searching for.
    Can't beat it for the price either.
    Best of luck,
    Mass
     
  3. jamison162

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    I had a CB a looong time ago, would like to check one out again to see if my ears have changed. I sold it in favor of the OCDv3.

    The Brownie wasn't open enough or amp like to me, it had tons of gain and was rather stuffy in the mids. Not muddy, just not open. I think they offer a lower gain option that may or may not change the pedal dramatically.

    If I were you, I'de put my money on the Pinnacle or Plextortion by Wampler. The guy makes great sounding stuff.
     
  4. carbz

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    From experience I've owned the crunchbox, OCD, Brownie and ended up with the Menatone KOTB which ended up the most versatile amplike sounding pedal of all of them and It can cover some decent high gain range into a clean amp. The wampler stuff though I haven't tried them seems like another great option. The crunchbox is cool initially but after comparing it with some others I just found it thin and fake sounding. What I've come to realize are pedals can't really transform amps as the amps circuit and transformers still play the key role in the final outcome. I tried my menatone in my buddy's splawn and it couldn't fix it even in the clean channel.
     
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    If you're amp's already a gainy, I don't think you'd need a super gainy pedal. I have a '73 Superlead and the Lovepedal Eternity, tightens it up really well while at the the same time boosting the input gain. It has a lot of headroom so it hits the amp pretty hard. It's not a super gainy pedal but sounds awesome with my Superlead.
     
  6. softclipper

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    RAT with not too much gain, 10 o'clock or so, and filter at 2 o'clock, I like this way for a crunchy and live attack. Another way is like Nuno set his RAT, as a booster, no gain and full volume.
     
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    Could you describe the "nuno" settings on the rat a little more?

    Where would you set the filter?
     
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    If you drive your Plexi head hard nothing you put in the front is going to get you what you want. Turn the volume down so you can run your pedal into a clean amp then you'll have the head room needed to drive the low end other wise it wont happen. If you had a loop or run an attenuator with a line out you can use that to EQ into HM territory through a second amp.
     
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    The filter can be set between 1 and 5 o'clock, it depends on the guitar, amp, etc. volume at full clockwise for a good line boost. When you set the distortion pot full counterclockwise there's no gain coming from the pedal but if you start to turn up a little you can hear a bit of gain being generated by the circuit. When you hear it coming stop dialing the knob and you got it (about 8 o'clock or so). Nuno set them this way for boosting Marshalls (one RAT for each head).
     
  10. Voxshall

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    I have a 73 Superlead and the TC Electronic Line Booster sounds like the amp but High gain but only works well with Humbuckers.
     
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    Try a Tube Screamer with the gain off and level up. The mid bump and bass cut this will give is what lots of players in the 80's did for that sound.

    Josh
     
  12. Kapo_Polenton

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    I'm in the same boat. I run my plexi clone (more or less same spec as yours though i don't quite get VH on its own for rythms but close enough) at 8 and with a boost and its crunchy enough for heavy leads. You just need to find one boost that works well. With my bad monkey i run the level almost full with no gain. Tightens it up. For leads it needs a bit more.. for that i use the BB preamp though its a tad gainy and gritty i find. Optimum setting might be running the plexi at moderate volume , say 6 and using more gain from the pedal. You may have to drop your bright cap value though as i found mine brighter at 6 with a 500 pf bright cap.

    As for clean amp and pedal. Crunchbox is good through the clean channelof my JCM800 but always sounded like ass through my plexi. Mind you, maybe I should have been playing it on the low output channel I or II and not high.:jo

    My clone is the closest I have gotten to the sound I like.. but juuuuust not quite there yet. For your needs, the BB might fit the bill.
     
  13. gnugear

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    Yeah, I definitely notice that I have to back the gain on the amp way down to make my fulldrive work. I've currently got it at around 5. Thanks for all the advice. I'm going to be checking out some more stuff later today.
     
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    Especially for recording.. in front of the amp isn't as noticeable but through the monitoring headphones and played back, I think the key might be backing off on the amps gain and using more pedal gain is the way to go.

    For nuno gain, my understanding in addition to SLO and ADA that he used JMP's boosted. I know he was using MArshall again and the Kettners lately and settled on what looks to be Randall with whatever signature thing he is going to be doing with them. His chunk comes from that EQ'ing and somewhat scooped mids.
     
  15. Cary Chilton

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    NOT many OD's out there that wouldn't simplify your plexi's magic -make it sound like a pedal- The only OD's out there, that are heads and shoulders above ALL other ODs are:

    the TIM, timmy ( made for a early Marshall) and the Naked OD ( tonefreak).

    Other GREAT ways are EQ's notably the vintage HTF GE-10, or a maxon EQ, vintage mxr EQ, BJF SBEQ, Barber EQ's.

    My favorite is with my vintage MXR micro amp and or my analogman mod 741 DOD YJM308. Both of these boosts have been the most popular boosts since the early 70's for a non-master Marshall. The DOD is actually a transparent OD past 12. Both have TONS of output, particularly my vintage micro amps!!!

    Last, of course a si Fuzz will give you tons of sustain and gain, even a little and it will clean as well as all the suggestions above.

    Can you tell this is my passion? Killin my plexi in the coolest tones possible?!

    Last, a Stage Hog is so killer for this, the most subtle gain, OD tweaks you could ever imagine. I am told a Gjika is killer, too.

    I have to totally disagree with some suggestions posted. A fulltone, made for Fenders sounded like donkey b@llz into a plexi... yuck. Other supposedly MARSHALL or PLEXI sounding in a box pedals usually can't meld well with a REAL non master marshall amps natural gain. The plexi/marshall in a box pedals that almost do, are when you play the supposed plexi clone into your plexi's amp, amp totally clean or slight break up and the plexi pedal barley using drive. The reason is, and it is simple, told to me be a very respected pedal maker is that a pedal is silmulating the end sound (thru tubes, trannys and finally the speakers). This simulated signal into the REAL DEAL comes out strange not what you would hope for. SO, back to finding a pedal that pushes and compliments a MARSHALL's inherent tone and gain, and back we go again to my suggestions.

    BTW any decent tube screamer-ish pedal, abunai2, LDO, maxon od's, and non TS-like: the bluesbreaker types
    will all also work very satifactory with a non-master Marshall, but still not the best, imo.

    And yeah, got any dry clips of your jmp in action???????
     
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    Mr. Chilton I do like your approach and passion sir ! You had me very interested in that YGM 308 analogman mod after I read your post over at metro. Would you vouche for it? I naked OD or transparent OD is a hard thing to acheive. I find my bad monkey to work the best but it sounds too much like the pedal when engaged. Would the 308 modded be the best to retain the amps tone? I only have one clip of my plexi pushed with a badmonkey that i posted here before when complaining about how crappy my JB sounds. I switched the pot and i think it still is a fake sounding plasticy pickup. Its being changed when i finally receive my Bill Lawrence..sometime in 2010 by the looks of it lol. I can post it if you are interested though.
     
  17. Cary Chilton

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    Thanks Kap, the tim, naked or dod for transparent ods, the vintage micro amp a must*, the eq's cool options ;)
     
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    BOSS GE-7 is "ok" too. Kind of rounds things a tad too much or makes it too nasaly -wah in cocked position. Its a fine line. I will also check out that naked OD. That or the analogman DOD, which do you give the edge to? Does the Tim or Timmy smoke both?
     
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    This is the best I can get mine to sound right now with the BB as a boost. Still i hear the grit and noise even though the gain is barely cracked. I dare say that on its own the BB is great, I find it a tad noisy when pushing an amp. I hear this in the recordings. The bad monkey was thinner and fit in better I found. Still though i think i could do better! I think the DOD 308 is on my list. The annoying midrangey sound is just the JB.

    Its just a random short jam with drum loops. I didn't compress so its not that loud but you'll get the idea: http://media.putfile.com/testing-rockmix-02
     
  20. Cary Chilton

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    Honestly, save and get all three. THe LEAST coloring pedal, is the vintage micro amp. I have heard that the Catlinbread SCP boost (newer) is very close to a vintage micro amp. So many makers, claim the micro amp is nothing to clone, make or improve upon, however all boosts so far have placed second to it including a VERY expensive hand made, ptp George Lynch TMB! All boosts so far have just colored the tone by making it sparkly , more hifi-ish, sterile or even muddy! Like Eric Johnson has said, his vintage MXR dynacomp is the only compressor he feels that doesn't mess with the original signal. I feel that way about most vintage mxr pedals, particularly the micro amp.

    The DOD will put some warm dirt when you crank it with neck pu into a marshall, this pedal IS Malmsteen! but it will work with anything.
    The naked OD is tone freak and Dave Friedman version of the Red Snapper (Menatone) and the TIM or timmy, are legendary. TIM is very fine tunable but besides the FX loop, it is the SAME pedal. TIM/timmy lead times are growing as these pedals are getting more in demand worldwide, so order sooner than later.

    The GE-7 is boss sounding, it is ok, but I prefer the maxon 6 band EQ. The Boss GE-10 is huge, basically like a full on stereo system 10 band EQ, 120 volts, tons of headroom. I have 3 of them~
     

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