Higher wattage Greenback-type speaker

[Occam]

All of my heads are at least 100 watts and I play pretty loud but I'd like to load one of my empty cabs with some greenbacks....does anybody make a greenback clone at 35-50 watt range? I don't want to go too high with the wattage because a big part of the sound comes from pushing them but I'd also like to avoid a full-stack for this project. I use a full-stack for my main project but it's not needed here. Someone suggessted the Eminence Private Jack...would that work out pretty well?

 

[MuseCafeChris]

Dave at Avatar still has the Eminence Legend GB12s but only in 16 ohm.

 

[Occam]

How are those Legend's?

 

[Matt Gordon]

I have V12's, GB12's, PJ's, and one Tonker. I don't hear anything that I'd consider "greenback" tone in those. That doesn't mean they aren't fine speakers, but the tone I dislike seems to work for a lot of other guys. Check out the clips on the Eminence website, I think Jeff Martin's. That is exactly what you get.

 

[Occam]

Originally posted by Matt Gordon
I have V12's, GB12's, PJ's, and one Tonker. I don't hear anything that I'd consider "greenback" tone in those. That doesn't mean they aren't fine speakers, but the tone I dislike seems to work for a lot of other guys. Check out the clips on the Eminence website, I think Jeff Martin's. That is exactly what you get.

All of the clips I found on the eminence site were either clean or only slightly dirty and it didn't bring much character out of the speakers.

 

[rastaman]

http://www.mojomusicalsupply.com/cgi-bin/mojotone/search.html

 

[Matt Gordon]

Originally posted by Occam
All of the clips I found on the eminence site were either clean or only slightly dirty and it didn't bring much character out of the speakers.

Exactly! You nailed it. Pushing a fairly dirty signal is a different matter all together, and not the Emi's strong suit, at least not the few I have. Hard to make a general statement about anything without starting a war of words. But the clips I've heard do a pretty good job of reflecting the midrange offered, and that is something no break in will cure. I should confess that I didn't hear anything remotely greenback in the Weber 1265 either, and I guess that is supposed to be a higher watt greenback. Maybe I'm too picky?

 

[joolzriff]

i'm seriously considering some of these scumback greenback speakers for my 2x12 w/ 100w head.
they are both 50w greenback clones.

 

[Occam]

Originally posted by joolzriff
i'm seriously considering some of these scumback greenback speakers for my 2x12 w/ 100w head.
they are both 50w greenback clones.

Yeah I've seen those...a bit pricey when looking to fill a 4x12, what are they $160 each or something?

 

[John Phillips]

Find some old Celestion G12-65s - they were fitted as stock in early Marshall JCM800 cabs, shouldn't be too hard to get. They're not identical to G12M-25s, but they are in the same ballpark and have the same sort of complex jangle and 'fur'. They're a bit tighter-sounding at low volume but warm up when they're pushed a bit harder.

 

[Mr.Hanky]

Originally posted by John Phillips
Find some old Celestion G12-65s - they were fitted as stock in early Marshall JCM800 cabs, shouldn't be too hard to get. They're not identical to G12M-25s, but they are in the same ballpark and have the same sort of complex jangle and 'fur'. They're a bit tighter-sounding at low volume but warm up when they're pushed a bit harder.

Werd.

I just played my 73 100W Super Lead through a cab with these and it sounded great.

 

[gizmo]

Originally posted by John Phillips
Find some old Celestion G12-65s - they were fitted as stock in early Marshall JCM800 cabs, shouldn't be too hard to get. They're not identical to G12M-25s, but they are in the same ballpark and have the same sort of complex jangle and 'fur'. They're a bit tighter-sounding at low volume but warm up when they're pushed a bit harder.

+2 I have a an early JCM 800 1x12 combo with a G12-65. I tried a V30, a Weber Blue (both ceramic and alnico) and then the g12-65. The 65 had the goods. No mushy, farting, woofiness like the others. At first I thought it was a little bright but after lowering my pickups a tad and adjusting the tne controls at the amp, I've got it dialed in nicely.

I know V 30s get a bad rap but that actually sounded better to my ears than the Webers, FWIW.

 

[Mr.Hanky]

A lot of guys dig V30's, I never have. I hear they sound good when pushed hard, and I can see it woking well with a warm amp like a route 66, I was never able to bond with my V30, just sounds sterile to me, and that harsh mid-top end killed me.

Weber's, I am one of the few that had big problems with 2 of his speakers, again tons of guys love them, mine were flat out horrid.