Honestly, the Eventide Space sounds like SH****TTTTTT

lux_interior

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One of the better known DSP engineers expressed his disapproval? What does that really mean? That the Eventide CEO should commit harakiri? Or that, for example, you are going to use his arguments to justify why you don't like it yourself? You take fora far too seriously...

As for the Eclipse and the Space, did you use them on identical conditions (and I mean IDENTICAL, same source, same line level etc etc)? Would you be able to upload the results so that we can hear that as well? As far as I am concerned, Space sounds gorgeous and if someone can't produce a good sound out of it, it's user error and not Eventide's. Plus, regarding the reverb modes dial... it does exist, and that's one of the first things that's mentioned in the manual. And no one said it sounds like a convolution reverb (was it supposed to?)
 

nrvana8775

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One of the better known DSP engineers expressed his disapproval? What does that really mean? That the Eventide CEO should commit harakiri? Or that, for example, you are going to use his arguments to justify why you don't like it yourself? You take fora far too seriously...

As for the Eclipse and the Space, did you use them on identical conditions (and I mean IDENTICAL, same source, same line level etc etc)? Would you be able to upload the results so that we can hear that as well? As far as I am concerned, Space sounds gorgeous and if someone can't produce a good sound out of it, it's user error and not Eventide's. Plus, regarding the reverb modes dial... it does exist, and that's one of the first things that's mentioned in the manual. And no one said it sounds like a convolution reverb (was it supposed to?)
I didn't write those. I found the comments on gearslutz.

If a former engineer/creator of the best known eventide algorithms is saying that the newer eclipse/space do not sound like the older models, due to algorithm and converters, then yes, there is probably something going on.

It's a cool pedal that offers control that no other hardware reverb does. But it also doesn't sound good. That's all I'm saying. :huh
 

lux_interior

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But I thought you made the comparison between Eclipse and Space... are you borrowing someone else's comments? And what would that have to do with whether you like it or not, and why?

@Sunset: why 2? And what was it exactly that you didn't like? I am not saying it's impossible, just that I would be interested to see a well written and thorough opinion.
 

bobbyatomic

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I think the problem is you're listening to it in stereo with your left and right ears, the trick with the Space is you have to use your final front ear!




I'm so sorry.
 

nrvana8775

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Blackhole setting.

[SOUNDCLOUD]http://soundcloud.com/nrvana8775/eventidespacetest[/SOUNDCLOUD]

0-4s = on vs off. No real difference, 0% wet
6-10s = on vs off. 25% wet, 25% low, 25% high
13-18s = on vs off. 50% wet, 50% low, 50% high
20-26s = on vs off. 75% wet, 75% low, 75% high
28-33s = on vs off. 100% wet, 100% low, 100% high
35-end = moving from 0-100% wet, 55% low, 100% high

The clipping is from the pedal, I am playing at the same dynamic the whole way through. I know this isn't an exhaustive/conclusive test by any means, but it does show how the high end is very artificial sounding.
 

soli528

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All of the effects on the space can be synced in one way or another.

Feedback/delay, pre-delay, attack, etc.

I do midi-synced reverse reverbs, use cc to send synced changes in the decay/low/hi eqs.

The space is the only pedal that has so much capability. It sounds horrible though.
Do you have any recorded examples of this? I'd really like to hear/see what you're talking about. (not suspicious, genuinely interested)
Also, I noticed in a later post you have a GK in your chain- I've never played with that CV sync function, could you talk a bit about how that works, what's the CV source, what it's doing to sync with the GK, etc...
Thanks in advance!
 

nrvana8775

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Do you have any recorded examples of this? I'd really like to hear/see what you're talking about. (not suspicious, genuinely interested)
Also, I noticed in a later post you have a GK in your chain- I've never played with that CV sync function, could you talk a bit about how that works, what's the CV source, what it's doing to sync with the GK, etc...
Thanks in advance!
Updated with sound.

Are you asking about the audio sync or the cv in?

Audio sync just requires an audio track. I send a snare drum sound with fast attack/short decay to the audio input, and it works really well!

CV in is pretty much an expression pedal control. I don't use this often, as the cv in overrides the audio sync; therefore, losing sync to a click track. I've sent the same drum sounds into the cv in, and it makes for some interesting bleeps and bloops, but nothing I'd use for traditional guitar playing.
 

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*sigh* enter the internet. everyones rig and ears tell them different things... is the ADDA conversion perfect on the space? no. not even close. does it color your tone? YES! does it do things that no other pedal on the market does? YES! so.... if you want the said benefits of what it does than deal with the coloring of your tone, or put it in a bypass looper, OR just don't use the unit.... every pedal out there isn't meant to appease every person or sound like a studio in their rig. cables/power/amp/tube/guitar/length of chain/buffers before or after there are so many variables.... if you like it use it, if you don't move on. if you feel ripped for spending so much money on a pedal that made a promise to you on a forum thread that was unfulfilled than just sell for what you paid, if you bought it new, return it.

I for one sold the space the first time i had it cause i made money....

I bought it again.

I have it in a blender. BOOM. no issues with it at all.
 

lux_interior

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@bobby and @nrvana: what is your point exactly?

@this1smyne: of course it is supposed to colour your tone... plates colour your tone, springs colour your tone, racks colour your tone. I am not really sure what people are looking for with "zero colouration". Like J. Mascis said... why do they buy effects in the first place? As for the AD/DA conversion, which one would be perfect in your opinion, and what are the drawbacks that you find in the Space? (I suppose we are talking about what happens between buffered off & on at zero wet, right?)
 

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lux_interior said:
But I thought you made the comparison between Eclipse and Space... are you borrowing someone else's comments? And what would that have to do with whether you like it or not, and why?

@Sunset: why 2? And what was it exactly that you didn't like? I am not saying it's impossible, just that I would be interested to see a well written and thorough opinion.
Conversion is bad, the tone is either dark or shrill, always tweaking but never happy. Tried to love it twice, wanted to love it, did not.
 

nrvana8775

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@bobby and @nrvana: what is your point exactly?

@this1smyne: of course it is supposed to colour your tone... plates colour your tone, springs colour your tone, racks colour your tone. I am not really sure what people are looking for with "zero colouration". Like J. Mascis said... why do they buy effects in the first place? As for the AD/DA conversion, which one would be perfect in your opinion, and what are the drawbacks that you find in the Space? (I suppose we are talking about what happens between buffered off & on at zero wet, right?)
Listen to the on/off from 0-4. I have the buffer on. I can't hear a difference between on/off. Then listen to the clipping/shrillness that happens.

That's my issue.
 

lux_interior

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@sunset: Personally, I have completely the opposite experience. Anyway...

@nrvana: what shrillness? I am sorry to say but your tone is a bit horrible and very thin to begin with. And apart from the fact that there are at least 5 or 6 EQ parameters per mode (plus smaller adjustments here and there that play a crucial role), a small effort of balancing the wet versus the high content always brings things where I want them within seconds. I can't really recall having the wet more than something like 50% (except at special circumstances). And bear in mind that I always play with bright, shimmery high headroom amps and bright twangy guitars. In my opinion, I think it's a classic example of gear with insane parameters and possibilities that falls into the hands of people that don't have the time, patience or ability to sit down and explore it as it is meant to be explored, or simply don't find a use for their own style, or think it's overkill (for some it definitely is, for others it can be a tool like everything else).
 
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nrvana8775

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I couldn't do this without the space:

[SOUNDCLOUD]http://soundcloud.com/nrvana8775/spacereversereverb[/SOUNDCLOUD]

Otherwise, I'd just get a stereo wet and float on clouds. For $500, this should be my only reverb though. The highs are too harsh.

Agree to disagree.
 

ManUBobby7

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For $500, this should be my only reverb though. The highs are too harsh.

Agree to disagree.
I agree with you my friend. I'm 42, and yesterday I played guitar for 12 hours. I'm insane i know. The more i play and get into music, the less I want to appease people with pretty words and big words and get all technical. I call a spade a spade.

Space sounds too digital, it don't sound good.

I applaude your honest response, allbeit subjective. I just got my Paypal account reemburssed $474 USD just now, for the Space I sent back "Return To Sender" 2 weeks ago. I'm happy :D
 

this1smyne

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@lux i think we're saying the same thing.... i'm a fan, and think if you spend time tweaking it there shouldn't be a problem with the unit at all.
 

popinvasion

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I couldn't do this without the space:

[SOUNDCLOUD]http://soundcloud.com/nrvana8775/spacereversereverb[/SOUNDCLOUD]

Otherwise, I'd just get a stereo wet and float on clouds. For $500, this should be my only reverb though. The highs are too harsh.

Agree to disagree.
I agree it sounds like SH****TTTTTT

It is very unfortunate. The conversion is just one part of the problem.

See in my mind $500 pedals should not require a loop to avoid the conversion, the conversion either should be great as is, or have a dry through. On, The space is either harsh or dark. It takes a heavy hand of tweaking to find happiness, and I never could find the balance. It was annoying. I would love to love it. But I can't.
 

lux_interior

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Sunset, please tell me:

(a) if you really think that what you are hearing here is really representative of the pedal :facepalm , and

(b) if you still believe there is 0% chance of user error / lack of patience / time / ability to tweak a pedal that can take extreme tweaking (not that you have to, but you can - and should - if you don't like something), and finally blaming all sorts of factors except the personal one.
 




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