Hottentot - Chord Voicings?

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  1. newb3fan

    newb3fan Member

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    Anyone know these the way Sco plays them?

    Progression is the vamp on Bb7#9 then 8 bars of B7#9

    Then C section is Bb7#9 - G13/Bb - F#m6/Bb - Gb/Ab

    The C section changes may be much more written for keys/organ than guitar as notated above.

    Thanks in advance.

    Link to the tune:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRTJLIKvvH8
     
  2. Dajbro

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    For the Bb7#9 it sounds like he's playing 5th string, 5th fret (D), 4th string, 6th fret (Ab) and 3rd string, 6th fret (C#/Db).

    Move that voicing up a half step for the B7#9 and it sounds like he's also adding strings 1 and 2, both at the 7th fret.

    If I get a minute later I'll check out the C section.
     
  3. newb3fan

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    Cool - yeah that's it. The 3rd, b7th, and #9 in that order. Thanks!
     
  4. Dajbro

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    Happy to help. That's a nice tune.
     
  5. 57gold

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    Watched Warren on one of the Sco-Mule youtubes and would love to know the chord forms he is using for C section...hearing some open strings ringing over chord forms around the 7th fret. Anybody figure those out?
     
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    I got the Sco-Mule CD about a month ago. I'm rediscovering my love for the dude's playing. He's a big time influence that I wish I could emulate better.
     
  7. gennation

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    I play this tune in a band right now. I'm posting from my phone right now but will follow when I'm on my computer.
     
  8. WheelchairBandit

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    Just learned this tune with one of the bands I play with. The C section (which is essentially the turn around) is C#7 - C7 - B7 - Bbm7. All the chords are voiced with the root on the 6th string.

    Brian.
     
  9. gennation

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    Don't have time to elaborate but check this video around 3:25 in and you'll see was Sco plays for the C section.

     
  10. Rob G

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    In my trio format I'm playing the chords like this and letting the bass take the Bb roots:


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    ---6-----5----4----2--------------------
    ---6-----4----2----3--------------------
    ---6-----3----2----6--------------------
    --------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------

    For those of you that play this tune, what do you use to solo over this section?

    I've been experimenting with Db major as a starting point and some diminished ideas based off of the G13. And of course suggesting the melody works too.
     
  11. 57gold

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    Who is the other guitarist? Kinda missed the vibe of the tune as I hear it.

    Blues plus altered heaven...inside out weave to the extreme. Or I'm learning less than I though from the jazz harmony maestros I appreciate on TGP.
     
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    Thank you Mike and Rob for you posts on how to play this and voice it. Much appreciated!!
     
  13. Windsurfguit

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    Thank you so much for the link to the video! I love this song and have long been wondering whats going on at the bridge. What I get from sco's hands at
    Somewhere after the 3 min mark is~

    Bbm7 C#7(F B C# E) C7#9/G F#maj triad

    all over a Bb pedal. Very Cool

    Thanks Again!

    Geoff
     
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    Don't think its a B#m7. Plays a Db triad on 6th fret, but the harmony is the Bb7#9...just add a D note on 5th string.

    To me, that's the musical hook in the tune...Bbm7 blues riffage to B# Alt and then further outside.
     
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    eric krasno. he is a beast, but soloing next to scofield on one of his tunes... I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
     
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    Old Warren Haynes, coming from a non-jazz background, brings it to the table on this tune...this fellow missed the table.
     
  17. Windsurfguit

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    This is easily seen in sco's hands- exactly what notes sco is doing on the bridge in the video at 3min+ mark:

    Bb Ab Db F or Bbm7 to

    F B C# E or C#7 to

    G E? Bb Eb(D#) or C7#9/G

    F# A# C# or F# triad

    All over a Bb pedal.

    Chord symbols analysis is describing only what shapes sco is using.
    One can choose to analise them further as relating to the Bb pedal, buy i think it unnecessarily complicates things. I think he would say he's just moving chords over Bb pedal and leave it at that. YMMV

    Cheers!
     
  18. gennation

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    I did want to elaborate a bit on this now that I've had a chance to sit down at a computer with my notes. Without a bunch of theory lingo these are a few ways I've played it based on the original, different ways I've seen John play it, and things I've come up with on my own.

    You can call the chords what you want, these are just what I called them in my notes...

    Code:
      Bbm7 Db7 C7#9  F#    Bbm7 Db7#9  C7#9  Bb7alt
    E-------------------|------------------------
    B--6---2---4-----2--|--6----5------4-----7---
    G--6---4---3-----3--|--6----4------3-----6---
    D--6---3---2-----4--|--6----3------2-----6---
    A-------------------|-------4------3-----5---
    E-------------------|--6---------------------
    
    Or
    
       D??   Db7#9  C7#9  Bm6/9 D?? etc...finish with Bb7#9
    E---------------------------------------------------
    B---------------------7---------------------------6-
    G--10----9------8-----6-----10--------------------6-
    D--11----9------8-----6-----11--------------------6-
    A--11----8------7-----5-----11----------------------
    E--10----9------8-----7-----10--------------------6-
    
    (pardon my D?? chord, I'm just making note of the D-Db-C-B movement)
    
    Simple grip I usually grab when we jam on it...
    E----------------|
    B--6---5---4--7--|
    G--6---4---3--6--|
    D--6---3---2--6--| and repeat...
    A--5---4---3--5--|
    E----------------|
    
     

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